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| Its all well and good thinking oh he (Bateman) will have respect for Burgess, what about the rest of the coaching staff and squad? anyone can act like teachers pet. If the decision was mine you couldn't pay me to have him in the squad, that being said you have to trust the coaching teams decision.
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| Two things that to me are prominent about Bateman.
1. A happy Bateman is a class player.
2. From his travelling people background, Bateman will fight anyone, he has little regard for danger. Makes him someone to avoid tussling with, including your coach.
My guess is the ideal formula for Bateman is being in a happy environment and having a coaching setup that puts an arm around you rather than waving it in your face.
I can’t think of any better place for Bateman that fits right now than Warrington.
I’m very much looking forward to him coming.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Two things that to me are prominent about Bateman.
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He can move in immediately on Junction Nine retail park. Nice one.
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| Quote ="easyWire"It would appear the reason for Bateman's availability is that he had a bust up, similar to the one involving him at Wigan. You can't just erupt on the coach like that. This changes things for me. Too much potential to disrupt the squad's balance as we go into the most crucial part of the season. I can see a Hardaker 2017-style moment on the horizon, should we get to the grand final.'"
I can see your point to a point BUT Hardaker in 2017 was pivotal to that Cas team 2nd in MOS behind Gale and all at 48hrs notice.
A happy productive Bateman for the run in is a gamble but we are hardly building the team around him and you would hope that we've got strong enough personalities on and off the field to deal with any shenanigans much in the same way as the Bullock Russell affair.
If the boot was on the other foot would we have taken a chance on T King or Cooper given their admittedley different indiscretions?
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| We have no idea what discussions have been held, who has said what to whom, what level of performance has been promised, what warning have been given, etc......but we have to trust our coaching team that they can get something out of Bateman between now and the end of the season.
If it doesn't work, then off he goes to Wakefield with every other off contract player!
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| Quote ="Mr Snoodle"We have no idea what discussions have been held, who has said what to whom, what level of performance has been promised, what warning have been given, etc......but we have to trust our coaching team that they can get something out of Bateman between now and the end of the season.
If it doesn't work, then off he goes to Wakefield with every other off contract player!'"
Totally with you on this. Hopefully he is here until the end of the season. We'll see how it goes & move on from there.
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| Quote ="The Speculator"Are you a troll? Your posts are so unremittingly negative - even in a season where we are playing some superb rugby - it's hard to believe you're really a Wire fan. However, to address your opening sentence: if it is your honestly-held opinion that shipping out Joe Bullock and bringing in John Bateman represents poor business on the club's behalf, then yes, you are missing something. Namely, the ability to watch rugby league matches and properly assess what you are seeing.'" Been watching rugby league matches and Warrington for 45 plus years so I’d like to think I’ve got a somewhat knowledgable grasp of the game but I’ll say it one last time a disastrous signing.
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| Quote ="runningman29"Been watching rugby league matches and Warrington for 45 plus years so I’d like to think I’ve got a somewhat knowledgable grasp of the game but I’ll say it one last time a disastrous signing.'"
I'm not questioning your RL knowledge but I do question whether you can see into the future. If this signing is announced, we simply don't know at this time if it's disastrous or not. I am prepared to trust Mr Warrington and Sam.
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| Disastrous is a bad take, in my opinion. He’s a competitor, he fights in every contest. Similarly, we signed Sam Powell and everybody, myself included, thought it was a waste. But Powell has demonstrated his worth on the pitch, but importantly he sets standards of discipline and resilience. You don’t need them traits to score nice tries, and to put on a good show. But you need them if you’re going to stick around at the back end of big competitions.
If Bateman can come in and lift us up 1 or 2 percentage points, then it’s a worthwhile exercise.
I’m not convinced, but I see the logic.
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| Not me Barbed…
I was always a Sam Powell fan.
He scored so many trys against us from dummy half at the Pie Dome.
I know where my money is going tomorrow.
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| Quote ="Boss Hog"https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/john-bateman-bust-up-revealed-as-wests-tigers-career-reportedly-over'"
I think 'bust up' makes it sound worse than it possibly was. Wests Tigers is currently a losing environment, and therefore not a happy one, I imagine. In such situations, a frank exchange of views is not exactly unheard of - some coaches might even welcome it, to help clear the air - and Bateman's personality is such that he obviously got his point across forcefully. Hopefully, if he comes to Wire, he can thrive in a happier atmosphere.
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| Quote ="runningman29"Have you not seen Bateman play last couple seasons?He’ll think he’s won the lottery coming here on a good wedge.'"
i wont be judging this signing, until ive seen him under the wing of Burgess.
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| Confirmed now on club twitter/x/whatever.
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| Hopefully Bateman seizes this opportunity to get his own game and career back on track. No doubt he is or was a quality player, he is devastating edge runner with an off load plus his got abit about him, not afraid to mix it up and put himself about, something which Wire teams have been missing.
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| IMO Burgess is the perfect coach to get the best out of Bateman mentally. There is a question mark on his physical fitness..can he physically reach previous heights?Cautiously optimistic that this will work out well for us.
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| Lammy jnr done deal to Saints.
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| Bateman deal a waste of money. Won’t get in the team
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"IMO Burgess is the perfect coach to get the best out of Bateman mentally. There is a question mark on his physical fitness..can he physically reach previous heights?Cautiously optimistic that this will work out well for us.'"
i also think its going to work out... he will take the pressure off the young lads a bit... A good solid, tough player, who can do long minutes... Could have a a little Indian summer here under Burgess. he doesn't have to come into the first team and set the world on fire.. he has to do a job for the team. Its a low risk, high reward play.
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| Warrington looking to offer Bateman a deal after the loan if all goes great.
Vaughany in talks for another extension
Burgess in talks for a year extension.
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| Well I’ve been banned off the red vee for letting them know they have got Lam jr signed for next season.
Not sure how they took offence by it.
Things have ebbed very low there I reckon.
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| If we manage to fit Bateman and a ‘wow’ half back under the cap for next year it’s some impressive salary cap wizardry.
Who have we got coming off? Drinkwater and Nicholson?
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"If we manage to fit Bateman and a ‘wow’ half back under the cap for next year it’s some impressive salary cap wizardry.
Who have we got coming off? Drinkwater and Nicholson?'"
Presumably we've created room for Bateman already
and as you say Drinkwater and Nicholson leaving would hopefully leave us the space for a replacement half.
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"If we manage to fit Bateman and a ‘wow’ half back under the cap for next year it’s some impressive salary cap wizardry.
Who have we got coming off? Drinkwater and Nicholson?'"
Kassiano Bullock Russell Dudson Nicholson, perhaps Drinkwater.
King counts as £50k plus we were around £100k under cap in 2024 at the start of the season.
I think there is some margin within the cap for 3 players and drafting up academy players.
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