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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"There’s a bit to unpick here.
The players aren’t that bad. They’re not 9th, 10th in the league standard. Otherwise, this wouldn’t be a story. The calibre of the group, both at the start and after significant turnover is better than has been delivered. Anyone with a brain in their head would admit that.
A change of culture is good, it’s a good thing for a squad assembled by the man leading that change. 16 of them have been signed or have had new deals. 14 of todays 17. If you have to change the culture of the people that you’re hiring, why are you hiring them?
Brining the Cas lads, Holmes hasn’t worked out. That is acknowledged by Powell by moving him from his position to the middle. If he was any good, he would have took Currie’s spot. Matautia, I’m not sure on. He’s not great, but he has utility value and we needed a centre. Doubt he’s on big money, so I’m fine with it. He’s Gelling without the baggage.
Finally, Bellamy would get a tune out of this team. That’s obvious. He has turned average pro’s into superstars. Its about how much the players believe you, trust you and prepare for you. I bet everyone has had a manager who has said the right things, and you know they are right, but you still think that they are an idiot so the words don’t land right.'"
Some of them are that bad. Ben Currie has been garbage for a couple of seasons now, he looks disinterested. Joe Philbin, since tripling his money, has been awful too. Jack Hughes isn’t good enough, Ratchford isn’t good enough anymore. Mulhern, Bullock, J Clark, Holmes are all average.
Bellamy wouldn’t. These players aren’t interested or passionate enough. They’d rather be leaving training early to sell hats and clothes.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"I think the frustration is that we were not a project club. We didn’t need a rebuild. We were in the frame but not able to take the next step. We needed someone to unite the group and build an attacking structure to complement a decent defence and ultimately challenge in the big games.
Nobody is suggesting Price was the right man, and your suggestion of that is a petty defence. The question isn’t about Price, it’s about whether the man appointed to take us to the next level is delivering on the objectives and/or is showing indicators that he is able to do so.
So, my question to you is two parts. Is what we have seen so far ‘on-track’ with expectation. And if not, why not.'"
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Some of them are that bad. Ben Currie has been garbage for a couple of seasons now, he looks disinterested. Joe Philbin, since tripling his money, has been awful too. Jack Hughes isn’t good enough, Ratchford isn’t good enough anymore. Mulhern, Bullock, J Clark, Holmes are all average.
Bellamy wouldn’t. These players aren’t interested or passionate enough. They’d rather be leaving training early to sell hats and clothes.'"
So it’s Cooper’s fault. Go it. Thanks for clearing that up.
The coach signed or resigned Bullock, Clark and Holmes. So that’s not a legacy problem inherited by the current coach. And the current coach saw enough in pre-season to make Hughes his club captain again. So are you questioning the coach’s judgement on this, I genuinely don’t understand your point.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Agree with everything. Club is in great standing as shown by results over the years. We've had/got great players and and i feel sorry for them not winning the GF.Yes we're dreadful, let's get a new coach.'"
Come on Daryl, sarcasm isn’t a good colour on you
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Welcome mate. These players have been overpaid and uninspired for too long under 3 different coaches spanning 7/8 odd years. Don't let that put you off though, the rot is being cleared and exciting times are ahead when everything settles - it just needs riding out.'"
You're deluded. Our defence has gone to absolute shambles in the space of a few months after he arrived, when for years it was steely and resilient. We've been d*cked by Wakey 3 times so far this year. The players he's signed have been absolute garbage. The players he's shipped out so far have made no iota of difference when looking at who they've been replaced by overall. Thanks Christ we won our first 3 games when everyone we played hadn't got up to speed yet otherwise it'd already be hello championship.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Some of them are that bad. Ben Currie has been garbage for a couple of seasons now, he looks disinterested. Joe Philbin, since tripling his money, has been awful too. Jack Hughes isn’t good enough, Ratchford isn’t good enough anymore. Mulhern, Bullock, J Clark, Holmes are all average.
Bellamy wouldn’t. These players aren’t interested or passionate enough. They’d rather be leaving training early to sell hats and clothes.'"
Wasn't it supposedly one of Powell's strengths we were told is that he can develop average players into good ones. So what has gone wrong? He seems to have become Midas in reverse.
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| I wouldn't have thought that any of us want, or wish, to bring back Price, his time has come and gone. I wouldn't have thought that any of us disagree that a change in culture or ethos at the club and a change in playing style was needed. Also, we needed leadership on the pitch. I'm not calling for DP's head, just wonder if he's gone about change in the wrong way. Part of DP's remit should have been to continue stability, which at the start of the season, I thought would be struggle due to our front row being light. Now it appears that were worse off (comparing where we are now, and the start of 2022) and at the business end without Cooper. For me, Amor and Mikaele don't make up for his loss. We've 8 games left and a four point advantage, and are thankful that Catalans sent a weakened team that gifted us three of our six tries. We desperately (still) need a leader or two on the field in these coming weeks.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"He's been here just over half a season tasked with a total restructure - what were you expecting?
Price had 4 seasons and presided over dismal rugby with the fans leaving in droves and 3 failures at the first stage. Virtually every player became less effective under his coaching too; help me out, who improved apart from (ironically) Toby King?
Who would you get in then?
Or if you didn't want him in in the first place, who would have been your pick?'"
He's actually had 10 months there or there abouts now, not 6. And while players became less effective under Price, at least they could defend their frigging line when the attack was shot and stay in games on that alone. Powell has them defending with all the resistence of a spiders web. I don't get paid to make decisions on who will coach us so I don't well care. But i'm within my right to judge the shower that Powell has served up to us in 2022.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"I wouldn't have thought that any of us want, or wish, to bring back Price, his time has come and gone. I wouldn't have thought that any of us disagree that a change in culture or ethos at the club and a change in playing style was needed. Also, we needed leadership on the pitch. I'm not calling for DP's head, just wonder if he's gone about change in the wrong way. Part of DP's remit should have been to continue stability, which at the start of the season, I thought would be struggle due to our front row being light. Now it appears that were worse off (comparing where we are now, and the start of 2022) and at the business end without Cooper. For me, Amor and Mikaele don't make up for his loss. We've 8 games left and a four point advantage, and are thankful that Catalans sent a weakened team that gifted us three of our six tries. We desperately (still) need a leader or two on the field in these coming weeks.'"
Agree with your points. The remaining question though is can DP swing the performances round not just for the end of seasons games but for the future too. Based on this years terrible season, the club really needs to review this critically.
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| Weve discussed this at length and made our opinions known. It's going backwards and fowards with the same points being made over and over again.I reckon we draw a temporary line under this until the next match.
But in the meantime, here's your big question:
If you want him gone now, name the successor you'd like.
If not, say stay (we all know its not perfect so far)
So basically it's a stay. Or it's a go and a potential successor has to be named (or we'll have literally no-one coaching us).
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Weve discussed this at length and made our opinions known. It's going backwards and fowards with the same points being made over and over again.I reckon we draw a temporary line under this until the next match.
But in the meantime, here's your big question:
If you want him gone now, name the successor you'd like.
If not, say stay (we all know its not perfect so far)'"
How about no. Basically your excuses to keep him amount to "well there's nobody else" Yeah, you're right, realistically there is nobody half way through the season. But that does not and will not mean that people have to sit silently putting up with this absolute sheite being offered up every week. Play crap every week, get called crap every week. We literally cannot be playing much worse and might aswell not have him around. Let's just roll with nobody because Powell has had that much a negative effect I don't well see the point of putting up with him trotting out tripe every week. This lad thinks we're still able to do something this year and building something special. The only special thing here atm is his delusion.
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| Quote ="KineticRR"We didn't need a restructure, we needed a coach who could keep getting us into playoffs, and finals, and to challenge the big teams regularly. We can't even challenge Wakefield.
We already had the players capable of doing that.
If we aren't in playoffs next season, he has got to go.'"
We have won 1 (ONE) major honour in the last 10 seasons. Thats a poor return on the investment in the playing squad.
Of course we needed change.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Weve discussed this at length and made our opinions known. It's going backwards and fowards with the same points being made over and over again.I reckon we draw a temporary line under this until the next match.
But in the meantime, here's your big question:
If you want him gone now, name the successor you'd like.
If not, say stay (we all know its not perfect so far)'"
I’m not the one to answer that question, the board are. But, the board must first answer the question of whether on not this year is a reasonable. If not, what are they going to do about it. If it is reasonable, owing to the state of the club that the coach inherited, how have they and the executive have presided over such a failure and who is accountable for that.
But, for what it’s worth as a paying punter, with McGuire, Holbrook, McDermott, Smith et al all readily available, shortage of suitable replacements won’t wash as an excuse. There are even young talents such as Ciraldo, King or even Paul Wellens who are in excellent systems and could be a sage choice.
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| Quote ="Wires71"We have won 1 (ONE) major honour in the last 10 seasons. Thats a poor return on the investment in the playing squad.
Of course we needed change.'"
How many has Powell won in the last 10 (TEN) years?
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| Quote ="WireWireWire"How many has Powell won in the last 10 (TEN) years?'"
That didn’t stop many fans wanting Powell when they were whining about Price .
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Weve discussed this at length and made our opinions known. It's going backwards and fowards with the same points being made over and over again.I reckon we draw a temporary line under this until the next match.
But in the meantime, here's your big question:
If you want him gone now, name the successor you'd like.
If not, say stay (we all know its not perfect so far)
So basically it's a stay. Or it's a go and a potential successor has to be named (or we'll have literally no-one coaching us).'"
I would shake his hand and say goodbye. Now.
For the rest of the season we should use the accumulated coaching staff already in the club and the senior players. Choose one of them to lead, the others to add and support. They can't do any worse and probably do better.
For the new coach the board will have the close season to review who is available in the UK and overseas. Move on.
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| Quote ="WireWireWire"How many has Powell won in the last 10 (TEN) years?'"
The point was someone said we didnt need structural change. I suggested we did because we had a poor return over 10 years.
You have changed the point to being about Powell.
Would you not accept it is a different job at smaller club like Castleford who cannot spend full cap? And that to question how many honours Castleford have won is a little churlish.
In any case Powell made exactly as many Grand Finals as Price and won a league leaders shield which Price failed to do.
Anyway, this is all moot. Powell is staying as he has the backing of the club until we either turn it around or its clear he cannot.
Clear difference of opinion on here and that's normal and healthy. We dont all have to see it the same way.
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| Quote ="Wires71"The point was someone said we didnt need structural change. I suggested we did because we had a poor return over 10 years.
You have changed the point to being about Powell.
Would you not accept it is a different job and at smaller club like Castleford who cannot spend full cap?
In any case Powell made as many Grand Finals as Price and won a league leaders shield which Price failed to do.
Anyway, this is all moot. Powell is staying as he has the backing of the club until we either turn it around or its clear he cannot.'"
Really is banging a head against a brick wall with some of this Wire's 71. Also, I think people are jumping into this part way through (understandably), meaning the same things are being repeated.
Yes we're playing poorly, but many imo are taking a one dimensional view and are being a little short sighted. If I wasn't a Wire fan, I'd absolutely love them them to sack Powell and get another coach in and see him try and get a tune out if this lot with probably the same result. A leopard doesn't change its spots, and neither are these players losing theirs unless someone with the guts to do it boots them out.
Even Shaun Wayne, at the beginning of the season on Sky, said it was a tough job Warrington. With so many great players ready and willing to put the effort in, why would Shaun Wayne say this I wonder? Why didn't he say something like, 'it's a good club with good players and an exciting position for a new coach to take up'?
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| Yeah I can understand the frustration though.
If Powell were to go now I shudder to think what that would mean for the club. Basically the player power has won. The tail wags the dog.
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| The same argument for removing Powell could have been made against Watson last season....
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| Quote ="Wires71"Yeah I can understand the frustration though.
If Powell were to go now I shudder to think what that would mean for the club. Basically the player power has won. The tail wags the dog.'"
Well now there are only 3 left in the 17 who aren’t onside, let’s hope for an upturn in performances.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Well now there are only 3 left in the 17 who aren’t onside, let’s hope for an upturn in performances.'"
Effort is the key. Anything more is a bonus. There's no way on God's earth anyone can realistically expect a team to be challenging for the top 6 with the amount of changes weve made.
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| I'm still in the "Powell in" camp but I admit to feeling hugely let down by performances. Yesterday pre match he was saying this is a very, very important game for our season then to put in such a shambolic half of rugby which lacked commitment, effort and desire was shocking. Both players and coach equally to blame....once they cross the white line it's not Powell missing tackles or dropping the ball or just shrugging shoulders at each other behind posts after conceding another soft try! Roll on next season (if still in SL)
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Effort is the key. Anything more is a bonus. There's no way on God's earth anyone can realistically expect a team to be challenging for the top 6 with the amount of changes weve made.'"
I was realistically expecting to make the 6, even without blatant optimism of bias. The plan to appoint someone in April was to advance plan and to hit the ground running, and we did. We went 3 out of 3. So I’m not actually having that as a mitigation. I think that is a cobblers excuse.
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