Pretty much said this on another thread somewhere, once this club removes everything pre Tony Smith we will be what we are. I am absolutely fed up of jobs for the boys because it’s that which is keeping us the way we are.

Awesome post really sums up my feelings. Play sport to win not come 2nd.

Actually Lefty your point about being to nice as a club as just reminded me of a time at a fans forum meeting. It was about atmosphere at the match, I remember responding to this and said well it depends on what is happening on the pitch, it’s bouncing if we winning and can be muted if we losing, her answer to that ( can’t remember her name) but she said we are trying to get away from that. So I said what you want us to stand there clapping for them if we are getting stuffed, got no reply to that but it left me disgusted with that mentality, never went to a meeting again after that. Like you said to NICE.

Before last night's Leeds v Hull game, I had a fair bit of time to kill, so I watched that Amazon documentary on Shane Warne (pre his untimely death). It just shows what a driven individual can make of himself. Early knock backs in AFL, and then a pretty average start to his Test career, gave rise to a [ikick up his own ar5e[/i, from which he never looked back on. Players with an attitude like this are WINNERS. Hating failure, rather than a [iho-hum[/i outlook.

And we have a captain who says defeats don't bother him and he always tries to stay positive.

You win, or you learn. If you don't learn, you don't win.

Did Hughes actually say that defeats don't bother him?
I can see that he ought to always stay positive.

I would really like to see that quote as context is everything.

Defeats bother me, as does Jack Hughes

Talking about the "too nice " posts , your big games at the business end of the season are won by the teams who challenge the ref to ping them for every indiscretion ,knowing full well that they will get away with many game changing actions as they stretch the rules of the game & the rules of fair play to their limits.

Gina Coldrick?

Don’t know that name.

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Very doubtful it was Gina. (I think) she left the club, many years ago

probably left before hughes was in wigan's academy, she left a LOOOOOOONG time ago

Was the Wakey loss misguided arrogance or just showing the culture of our club currently. Something is wrong, very wrong

Il say it again, simply no leadership on the field, the only one running the plays is the water boy running on the pitch, fact can we sign Adam Sandler.

The reappointment of captain pacifist could well be the reason. Imagine being fired up, new coach, expansive rugby......and he says "Hughes is your skip lad"

As a player he's in a dip, as a captain he's non-existent and always has been

Briers never shut up on the field, is there some kind of conflict between Widdop and Williams as to who is running the plays ???

Big marquee players who don’t care about the club just happy to pick up the big salary offered.

Flat track bullies who go well when it’s easy but when it’s the going gets tough they go missing.

Taking the Micky out of the fans.

Has George Williams had a good game yet ?

A doughty, workmanlike pack gave the wakefield halves enough space to look like Kenny & Sterling.

Could our current coach, and the architect of our Challenge Cup downfall not see then the problems he took advantage of would hinder him as well? A lack of backbone, no mental toughness and a huge reliance on two props?

Apparently not, and that is why a man who should be nowhere near our 17 is skipper and starting at prop.

And there's me thinking Daryl had no sense of humour.

Over my head this.

I would just buy a prop.

The loss was against a good team with quality hardworking players across their squad. The fact fans just dismiss Wakefield like we are above them is arrogance. Super league is so much closer in respect to all teams and people just don't seem to realise it which is misguided. The match was 50/50 before it started so give Wakefield some respect rather than just sating we were really poor when we weren't. We have Mulhern, Daz Clark, Charnley and possibly Magoulias added to the squad next week which will strengthen us further.

Why stop at one?
Why not two, three or even four, like we did a decade ago. Let's face it, we don't have one PROPER prop. ATEOTD, Cooper is (merely, but a good) bumped up second rower.

I've said it before, our pack consists of second rowers, and that's it.

Totally agreed.

It’s becoming a stuck record but what troubles me is everyone of us amateur fans foresaw this, yet our professional coach and his team together with all the decision making people at our club didn’t.

I’ve said it before , stop the vanity project and let’s have some sanity.