I'm with you now; its not anything to do with whether Saints won trophies its just that St Helens Super League Champions 1999, 2000, 2002 and Challenge Cup and World Club Champions 2001 were a great side to watch.

I take it all these Saints fans who dont like the boring, defence based RL arent NRL fans then?

To some extent I've got to agree. I think the problem stems from the 'wrestling' techniques at the tackle, followed by the 3-4 tacklers peeling off the attacking player one at a time after the tackle has been called held, thus allowing the defence to re-align, the worst offenders being Huddersfield.

I wouldn't mind betting that if referees were a bit more strict with this, that the Huddersfield defence would quickly start leaking points.

I take what you say but in all honesty that is rubbish huddersfield didnt do that in the cup final, I never found myself shouting "gerrem off ref"



Saints are Experts at lying on. their technique at turtling and spinning off one by one is the bench mark, it looks like they are getting off as quick as they can but in reality its a 4 and 5 second hold like any of the other supposed culprits. Cas were worse at holding down than Huddersfield but because they rack up as well as concede a few points they get away with it.



in fact wasnt there a piece on wrestling techniques on the super league show or something at the start of the year when Cunningham complained about such techniques? but the wrestling coaches quoted saints as one of the first teams to come down to their gymn and learn these techniques......







black kettle anyone

Huddersfield didn't get the chance in the Final due to our aggression. Look at all the early season complaints from Coaches about their tactics.

The game has progressed. Deal with it. Sport is about winning.

It was always about winning but it is also an entertainment business and, if those who are not winning are not entertained then it's not going to do wonders for clubs profit margins.



There's a fine line to be drawn. We all like winning but when winning comes at the expense of any entertainment then the public will eventually vote with their feet.



There is a precedent that says this has happened before, when the public tired of the 'up the jumper' mentaility in the unlimited tackle era, as coaches cottoned onto the fact that sterile tactics were winning tactics. As a result, crowds dipped to a fraction of their previous levels and took a decade or so to recover.

I have been watching since 1987. Let's just say the period between 1987 and 1996, when Wigan mopped up the lot, compared to our silverware laden years between 2006 and 2008, was significantly more entertaining and will be looked upon in a much fonder light when we are old and grey.

thats a sad signature pal....



in fact its not its very funny, but at least your still standing by your original dummy spitting principles.......



it beats those cranks that have all the Saints Wire results from the past 14 years....I mean fancing listing all those terrible dour games that were as a bad as rugby union......





still i guess you yearn for those 80 nil games they were great for the sport werent they.





keep running the game down pal we need blokes like you....when half the world is willing to watch some goaless eventless football game here we have idiots like you doing our/your sport no favours at all........



please peddle your misery elsewhere the 80's have gone haggerty forber barry ledger and those incredibly talent fit individuals have gone to entertain in a better place ....probably the pub ...i suggest you join them....

Wake up and smell the salt sunshine.



If you can't see that this game is now dominated by defensive, safety first rugby at the expense of attacking, free-flowing rugby then you are clearly not worth conversing with and, with apathetic masses like you trumping the game up to be as good as ever, there is no hope of recovery.



Biff, bash, drive, drive, scoot, drive, drive, kick. Fascinating stuff!

bring back the biff, job done.

Guess u are one of the people who dont like the salary cap then? as its bringing more challenging games instead of hammerings