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| Quote ="Wolf Hall"What season??'"
This season I was referring.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Here my prediction…
If Wire make it to 6th, they’ll win the GF!'"
The “if” is doing some really heavy lifting my petit canard.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"The “if” is doing some really heavy lifting my petit canard.'"
Absolutely.
The effort required and scenarios to make the 6, is not less of a feat than winning SL from 6th. From 6th you are no longer reliant on the fate of results outside your control, in addition to having to win every game.
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| True duckie but even if you start from the assumption of us being 6th and in the playoffs, the probability of us winning every game against top teams is very small.
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| Quote ="Peckerwood"What if, indeed, this did happen (or attempts were made) but the coaching staff either refused citing it was DP’s way or the highway, or the response wasn’t to the player’s satisfaction?
This is all hearsay. All that matters in professional sport is results. Since coming in, DP has taken us from third from top to third from bottom*. Those calling for his sacking/resignation might subside for now, but it’s clear his and KP’s management of the playing staff this season has been disgraceful.'"
Just to debate your post - maybe it was due time for the coaches way or the highway? Perhaps this turbulence was unavoidable?
Maybe if the coach had come into an elite squad of proven winners decorated with GF winners rings it would be a different approach. The players had years doing things "their way" (i.e) in the playoffs but ultimately not troubling the title).
Next season will reveal all.
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| Perhaps we ,the fans ,have been only too happy to point a finger at the officials for our defeats ,although there have been some dodgy decisions in our games.
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| I bought a cheapo ticket for me and me littlun last Thursday and noticed something really odd....waiting for the conversion after Toulouse's (I think) second try, the team was stood behind the goal line and not a word was being said. By anyone. Nobody getting the team round and saying, "lads we've got to fix xxx and look out for yyy, we need to move up quicker on zzz and put more pressure on WHY"....I am struggling to see us as a team yet, just a collection of individuals who have yet to gel into a cohesive unit behind a recognised leader. Not sure we'll get very far next year without this happening....maybe a preseason together will help, but I can't see much hope for the rest ofthis season
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| Quote ="Saxy"I bought a cheapo ticket for me and me littlun last Thursday and noticed something really odd....waiting for the conversion after Toulouse's (I think) second try, the team was stood behind the goal line and not a word was being said. By anyone. Nobody getting the team round and saying, "lads we've got to fix xxx and look out for yyy, we need to move up quicker on zzz and put more pressure on WHY"....I am struggling to see us as a team yet, just a collection of individuals who have yet to gel into a cohesive unit behind a recognised leader. Not sure we'll get very far next year without this happening....maybe a preseason together will help, but I can't see much hope for the rest ofthis season'"
Nobody speaks after we concede. Jack Hughes never did and ratchford just stares into space with his hands on his hips. Hopefully Powell sees sense and makes either Vaughan or mcguire captain. My preference would be for mcguire, he would thrive in that role.
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| Quote ="Saxy"I bought a cheapo ticket for me and me littlun last Thursday and noticed something really odd....waiting for the conversion after Toulouse's (I think) second try, the team was stood behind the goal line and not a word was being said. By anyone. Nobody getting the team round and saying, "lads we've got to fix xxx and look out for yyy, we need to move up quicker on zzz and put more pressure on WHY"....I am struggling to see us as a team yet, just a collection of individuals who have yet to gel into a cohesive unit behind a recognised leader. Not sure we'll get very far next year without this happening....maybe a preseason together will help, but I can't see much hope for the rest ofthis season'"
Nobody speaks after we concede. Jack Hughes never did and ratchford just stares into space with his hands on his hips. Hopefully Powell sees sense and makes either Vaughan or mcguire captain. My preference would be for mcguire, he would thrive in that role.
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| You’d hope Powell sees a captain in Vaughan or McGuire. Ratchford can’t continue as a captain next season….as for me he should be bench at best and offers nothing as a leader, quite the opposite. Hopefully Vaughan offers us a Morley type figure of being a huge presence, intimidating and a leader. I think that’s what he’s being brought over to do.
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| If he shapes up and lives up to expectation in the last few games of this season, how about Dufty? Would send a serious message about meritocracy instead of past reputation....
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Nobody speaks after we concede. Jack Hughes never did and ratchford just stares into space with his hands on his hips. Hopefully Powell sees sense and makes either Vaughan or mcguire captain. My preference would be for mcguire, he would thrive in that role.'"
My hope is that no one needs to speak, because we’ll not be behind!
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| Well we have conceded so many this season they have probably said all that needs to be said already.
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| Now mathematically impossible for you to make the playoffs.
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| Quote ="The Perry Boy"Now mathematically impossible for you to make the playoffs.'"
More relieved than disappointed that we did not make the play-offs, given the way our season has gone.
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| Thanks for that Perry Boy, we were all so hopeful.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"Thanks for that Perry Boy, we were all so hopeful.'"
Apologies for being the crusher of hope.
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| Quote ="KineticRR"First of all, no, I have not been living under a rock for the last few months... I was just bored. So I've had a look at what we'd need to make Playoffs at this point, just for something to track in the final few weeks. And to make it clear to everyone who the opponents are for all contenders and what scenarios we can allow.
I'm fully aware it's nearly impossible, but given we seem to be safe, or at least feel more safe, why not look at something positive. We've had enough negativity for one season.
So here we go...
As It Stands:
6) Leeds - 23
7) Salford - 20
8 ) Hull FC - 20
9) Hull KR - 20
10) Warrington - 16
Best Case Scenario:
6) Warrington - 24
7) Leeds - 23
8 ) Hull FC - 22
9) Hull KR - 22
10) Salford - 20
NOTE: Of the following games listed, we can allow for some variations (which are covered), but the current wins and losses mentioned below would get us to the 'Best Case Scenario'.
Leeds:
- Warrington (L)
- Huddersfield (L)
- Catalans (L)
- Castleford (L)
- If Leeds win one of their last 4 games, we cannot make Playoffs.
Salford:
- Huddersfield (L)
- Catalans (L)
- Hull FC (L)
- Castleford (L)
- Warrington (L)
- We can afford for them to win only one of their next four games. Preferably vs Hull FC if they beat either Toulouse or Wakefield, not both.
Hull FC:
- Saints (L)
- Wakefield (L)
- Salford (W)
- Toulouse (L)
- Hull KR (L)
- Praying Toulouse and Wakefield are battling hard to stay up. We can allow Hull FC to beat one of those two, and then allow Salford to only beat Hull FC, as opposed to this current list.
Hull KR:
- Saints (L)
- Wakefield (L)
- Wigan (L)
- Hull FC (W)
- We can allow them to win one game. Preferably to Hull FC if they have already won one of their next four games.
Warrington:
- Leeds (W)
- Castleford (W)
- Huddersfield (W)
- Salford (W)
- We must win all remaining games. We can only afford for Salford, Hull FC and Hull KR to each win one of their remaining games.
Leeds - Have been in great form in the last few weeks. BUT, they have to face us, and then have the toughest schedule of the teams listed in the last three games, playing 3rd, 4th and 5th Place. Must lose all games.
Salford - Play the same teams as Leeds but their schedule includes another team fighting for Playoffs. Obviously looking decent recently but hoping they lose confidence vs Huddersfield and then Catalans before facing Hull FC, then a decent Castleford team. And finally us, for the last game of the season. Salford can only win one game.
Hull FC - Take on Saints first, then their schedule looks easier. We need them to have some shockers vs Wakefield and Toulouse. Hull FC are capable of that. But hopefully the battle for relegation is in full swing and both teams play some of the most hard fought Rugby we've seen this season. Hull FC can only win one game.
Hull KR - Two tough opponents vs Saints and Wigan in the last 4, where hopefully they don't rest too many players. Need Wakefield to step up against them and we can allow them to beat Hull FC in the last game if Hull FC have won only one game up to that point. Hull KR can only win one game.
Warrington - Of the teams listed, we have the toughest schedule remaining (what a shock). Although, we still play two teams that we are competing against so it's in our hands, which I always prefer. Must win all games.
One thing that is slightly more realistic is that any team can hit 24 points, so we could allow a draw for Leeds and they have a tough schedule anyway. Or two wins for Salford, Hull FC and Hull KR, which is quite possible. But we'd need them to win by fine margins and lose their other games extremely heavily, whilst we win massively to cover the points difference. Leeds is our biggest difference, so we'd have to swing 38 points on them in each round if we match them on points.
However, the points difference situation can also be applied to Castleford. As they are on 24 points, but their points difference is easier to match (25 point swing per game), we'd need them to lose to Huddersfield, Warrington, Salford and Leeds, which are all very possible. But Castleford would have to be the only team that Salford beats in their last five. I only took preference to Castleford securing 5th over Leeds as the gap to them is larger.
So mathematically, it is possible to make Playoffs. And if the wins and losses I've mentioned above actually occur, that's how we'd get there. As mentioned before, it's close to impossible, but it's something I'll be keeping my eye on.
Hope you enjoyed the read. Have a great day!'"
This wins the award for most optimistic/crazy/amusing post of the year so fair play fella!
Genuinely (any p*ss taking aside), got to love a bit of optimism.
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| At least we don't need to pay for any more pointless play off games & the torture of this season will be over in a couple of weeks.
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| Quote ="SaleSlim"This wins the award for most optimistic/crazy/amusing post of the year so fair play fella!
Genuinely (any p*ss taking aside), got to love a bit of optimism.
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Gutted, I actually had us winning it from 6th.
BTW hope you get in the PO's and do well, there won't be many teams fancy taking you men on ATM
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| Quote ="The Perry Boy"Now mathematically impossible for you to make the playoffs.'"
What about if one of the teams on the fringes of the playoffs calls off a match because of "players getting covid" in an attempt to get an unfair advantage and the league investigates and deducts points.
You always have to be ready in case you're the next team up. Remember Denmark in Euro 92.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"What about if one of the teams on the fringes of the playoffs calls off a match because of "players getting covid" in an attempt to get an unfair advantage and the league investigates and deducts points.
You always have to be ready in case you're the next team up. Remember Denmark in Euro 92.'"
Covid is one thing, but I think having a war is a bit extreme
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