I don't think we are "too good to go down" I just don't think we are the worst team in the league - I cannot see Toulouse winning 3 more games than us in the second half of the season.

Yes it may be that Powell is "emperors clothes" or it may be he is fighting a good fight against the culture of mediocracy and petulant players and we need to have faith until they are gone.

We are not winning anything this season anyway even if we abandon Powell and let Currie, King, Cooper and Philbin choose their best mate as coach.

Have you forgotten 3 play off exits at home at the first hurdle 2019, 2020, 2021 - beaten by colossal teams such as Cas, Hull and Hull KR? Or it that what passes as success?

I think the idea is we are going through this pain now so we can be real contenders in the future. I don't believe Powell is a bad coach, but I do believe we have culture problems and players that think they are better than they are. Players that perhaps had got comfortable running their side businesses with playing pro rugby an after thought.

They don’t have to ‘win 3 more games that’s us’..
They don’t even have to win one or draw one more than us, they could relegate us on points difference alone.

Spot on

I tried to say this but took 4 paragraphs and still didn't manage it!!

Eh? They could have a better points difference than everyone in the league by winning four games 120 nil and then losing all the others by one point. They'd still be relegated if they had fewer points than everyone else.

I feel your passion and you make some very good points but to counter some of them

Recruitment - the squad had been sliding for years, Powell made the mistake of trusting the "challenge accepted" nonsense from Philbin on the packs capability. He had tried to remedy this for next season and this.

Youth - Ashton and Wrench are now starters. Thewlis has missed out because Powell is trying to find a halfback partnership that works.

You are spot on though - he needs to start dropping players. Currie, Philbin, King for starters.

I know we currently stink but succumbing to player power to oust a coach is unthinkable in repercussions. It's not as if they are top world class players we need to keep happy.

The more pertinent question is, if the board really believe that we are going to get relegated. Powell isn't totally bomb proof as he is answerable but not to anyone on here.

There's mounting discontent amongst the fanbase, due to the dreadful performances (Saints aside) where we've shipped 40 points in three games. Dwindling crowds won't help Powell's cause, and it appears that his revolution has not even got out of the starting gate.

Compare his lack of impact on performances to that of Rohan Smith. I know 3 games that Smith has been in charge is a very small sample to compare, but the positive impact he's had to the negative one so far from Powell is clear to see. If we don't improve by the end of July and are in the relegation mix, then Powell's position is under threat.

I was pessimistic because of the state of our pack. I remember in the off season I was saying things like we will probably find that we go backwards relative to where we were under the Price era and most people on here thought I was unduly pessimistic and were saying none of the top teams have a better squad than us etc. I thought we'd finish around 6th or 7th.

The reports from the preseason friendly were a warning sign and the other thing that set alarm bells running for me was seeing Barrie McDermott and Shaun Wane say "I think Daryl Powell has got a huge challenge on his hands" at the time the season started. Those guys will talk to people and be hearing the gossip around the SL scene and I wondered if that meant there were problems in the camp beyond just having a weak pack. I think we were lucky with that win against Leeds in round 1 and without that we'd be on 8 points and in a lot of trouble.

Although something is obviously not right, I’m not sure Powell is the problem here. He at least has a record of turning clubs around.

If we fire him now who do we get? An unproven NRL assistant who takes us back to 5 drives and a kick and exits in the playoffs?

There’s clearly more going on and this season is already a write off. The big thing now is avoiding a relegation fight and slowly building things back up in Powell’s way, with the pressure off the team and letting them get some confidence back.

And I’m no happy clapper before anyone asks.

Surely an NRL assistant getting to the play offs is better than getting boo’d off and missing the play offs entirely?

If we’re not going to do anything, just go into pre-season mode. Put those not staying for 2023 on gardening leave and build for next year. But with that, you have to accept that you’re risking the corporate image of the club by accepting a 7-11th place finish.

It's a good mentality to have that and one I'm sure Warrington's board will share IF they still believe in Powell. It's a risk however as if he turns out not to be the man for the job, you're potentially wasting a few years making the situation worse, then have to embark on another rebuilding phase, so you could be setting yourselves back five years with this move. Only time will tell I guess.

One thing that I've noticed is a lot of people saying this is him exposing and removing the bad elements from Warrington. But if you look at that lineup arguably the players playing the worst in your team are the ones who are staying. That doesn't sound like a situation where the players are buying in and it's just a few stragglers who are being forced out being toxic. The likes of King, Currie, Philbin and even Darryl Clark are way off their best in terms of effort and perfromance levels, but they should be the ones flying the flag for Powell.

With the present direction we are heading ,at a rate of knots, at least our loanees will be well versed in the ways of Championship RL for next season.

If we get relegated, the players will know that their contracts will all include clauses, stating that their current contracts are null and void.

Most of our current players will be offered Super League contracts with other clubs.

This will include our junior players and even players in our Academy will all be cherry picked.

SADLY, that might suit some players, as they can leave for pastures new.

They do have to win 3 games more than us. They are 6 points behind us and it's 2 points for a win. When I went to school 6/2 = 3, least it used to be.

#KissKamOut

Ah I see what you are trying to say.
Toulouse need to win 3 games period.

You are saying ‘they need to win 3 games more that Wire.’
I’m just saying they don’t, I was thinking you meant finite.

I really wanted Toulouse to stay up but things are so bad I’m now at the stage of wanting them to lose so we’re not relegated.

On Powell - Briers made an interesting comment on Sky last night saying at the big clubs you don’t need to make big changes when a new coach comes in. Peet has come in at Wigan and seems to have evolved the team well without any ructions. There are parallels with us in they were competitive but were poor in attack and fans complaining about the style of play etc. So they promoted internally and recruited our assistant coach to work on attack…..
I think Briers was inferring and I suspect Powell has come in and tried to change everything and bought into the culture needs changing narrative but I’d suspect the culture that Smith took on was far worse than the one Powell has. And picking a fight with Cooper seems bizarre to me - Cooper should be his chief lieutenant. Maybe changing things subtly over time is a better policy - it’s easier to get people to buy into things when you’re winning. Clearly things aren’t right - you don’t perform like we have - there’s zero spirit in the camp and some of the signings we’ve made have been abysmal - plus likes of King just been dreadful. Clark seems like a pale shadow of the player he has been. I’m still with Powell for now but we get sucked into a relegation battle then we really need to consider our options. Danny Ward is still available and maybe Briers wasn’t so bad after all…his time at Wigan could end up serving us well…..!!

No from now to the end of the season they need to win 3 games more that Wire to put us equal us on points.

If we win 2, they need to win 5.
If we win 3, they need to win 6
If we dont win again, they need to win 3.

Isn’t it what I said?
Ok. That then.

IMO Cooper should have tried to embrace the changes Powell is trying to make and not go against it. If Powell had walked into a successful side, then maybe there could be more of a compromise. But this team has stunk the place out for years now and I'm disappointed that players are obviously unwilling to change their ways for the sake of the club, especially Cooper who is a Warringtonian. Sounds to me like he's been one of the main protagonists against the changes Powell is making, and if true, good riddance.

What should Powell do? "Yes Chris, Currie, you're right. You know what's best, let's do it it your way. The club have been doing really well and I don't want to upset your life balance".

Go and do one is what I say. Take Hughes with you and the rest of the half d/spoilt players who won't even put the effort in for the fans who've paid their hard earned money.

Absolutely this 100%. People, take the rose tinted spectacles off. We’ve been pretenders since 2013, we’ve made 2 grand finals since then incredibly but I didn’t fancy us in either of those games in truth. I go on (and on) about KissKamKarl but seriously, look at the last 5/6 years in terms of recruitment and retention and it would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad. Terrible. He’s got to be ultimately accountable for that, he doesn’t pick the team or run the training sessions but he’s accountable for coaches and players getting hired. He’s got to go as part of any shake up, the man is an absolute joker and the epitome of “jobs for the boys”. Start there, back Powell and see where we go….

So you have a divine right to be better than these clubs. yet here you are, below all three.

Yeah i picked up on that comment too. It holds some substance because Wigan were absolutely dreadful at the back end of last year. They couldn't buy a win let along score any points. Fans were calling for wholesale changes then. Peet has stepped up to head coach and brought Briers in with almost the same group of players as last year and they have won the CC and are serious grand final contenders. Maybe Powell has gone about things the wrong way?

Or maybe Wigan have better professionals with more desire so Peet has the raw materials already.

So what is he doing about it? He’s essentially shopping Cooper around, but picking him every week. Then changes Davis, Clark, Magoulias, Longstaff. So, I’ve had an argument with you, you’re a bad Apple, you need to get out of the club… but start on Friday and I’ll drop someone else. Stupid.

If he’s a bad Apple, stop playing him. He’s picking the same players time and again, or are Riley Dean and Rob Butler causing the disruption in the camp?

He may have not inherited the 2006 saints, but it’s better than 2003 Halifax that we’ve currently got