Must admit, I've not been enamoured with holmes, I wasn't best please when it was announced, him and massey have been previously massive bug bears of mine, baz n tez on sky overrating anyone that's average in a lesser team. He was never a player I was concerned about when playing them, he seemed a bit jack hughes

Holmes was a player I, like many, took little notice of at Cas but I took more of an interest in after he signed and I was suprised - he looked like a robust defender, great engine and liable to bust a tackle.

Then he blubbed on his Cas exit like a 5 year old on his first day at big school and he's been shocking since. Matutia played well in the halves but probably only as he had less scope for spinning like a top and inducing confusion in everyone bar the defence.

Said it before, having wealthy owners and blank cheques isn't always a plus - you get lazy, flippant and careless with your signings.

Yes ...there is definitely something in this but I reckon all things considered I'm sure almost everyone supporting a club would be grateful, thankful and relieved about extra financial help. No one, really thinks we'd be better without it.

I'm just glad that my career in engineering wasn't a spectator sport. Could you imagine what its like to have your livelihood discussed on a public forum?

Yes professional sport is a tough place. It's balanced by plaudits, acclaim, and salaries beyond normal people's reaches. It is also not compulsory to partake in.

I see your point but the vast majority are very nice blokes, who should be treated with respect, who love rugby (and are pretty good at it). When I hear abuse being thrown, by some who just haven't a clue, it just isn't right.

No it's not, abuse is not on, never is.

Discussing a players ability and contribution to the side, contract etc on an open forum dedicated to rugby league discourse is perfectly reasonable.

That is the whole point of this discussion forum.

Don`t recall ever reading anything on here regarding players, that I would classify as abuse.

Yes, there are criticisms of players, but all comments are moderated if necessary, and the views encompassed in this particular forum cover a very wide spectrum.

Absolutely. Our forum is a model for others to follow. Total empathy ... unless we lose, miss a tackle, drop a ball, pick wrong team (I'm joking btw)

Not just limited to the forum. Plenty of boos at the Wigan game. Especially when Bevan French evaded 5 tackles from behind their try line.

That was very noticeable watching the SKY coverage.

If you have ever been side-stepped and left grasping air you wouldn't think booing is even a little bit useful. It says a lot about those who boo though.

Quote ="Smiffy27"If you have ever been side-stepped and left grasping air you wouldn't think booing is even a little bit useful. It says a lot about those who boo.'" I didn't attend the game. For me I think the boos were a simple expression of "this isn't good enough" which those paying spectators have the right to do but you think it means more - so what does it say about those who boo? The chase was pretty poor to be fair (save for Cooper who got back) https://www.facebook.com/rlsuperleague/ ... 118086357/

Quote ="Smiffy27"If you have ever been side-stepped and left grasping air you wouldn't think booing is even a little bit useful. It says a lot about those who boo.'" I didn't attend the game. For me I think the boos were a simple expression of "this isn't good enough" which those paying spectators have the right to do but you think it means more - so what does it say about those who boo? The chase was pretty poor to be fair (save for Cooper who got back) https://www.facebook.com/rlsuperleague/ ... 118086357/

Quote ="Wires71"I didn't attend the game. For me I think the boos were a simple expression of "this isn't good enough" which those paying spectators have the right to do but you think it means more - so what does it say about those who boo? The chase was pretty poor to be fair (save for Cooper who got back) https://www.facebook.com/rlsuperleague/ ... 118086357/'" Only saw this incident live, and hadn`t realised until I watched your video, how far Cooper had run to chase down French. His effort to prevent the try, puts his team mates` to shame.

Quote ="Wires71"I didn't attend the game. For me I think the boos were a simple expression of "this isn't good enough" which those paying spectators have the right to do but you think it means more - so what does it say about those who boo? The chase was pretty poor to be fair (save for Cooper who got back) https://www.facebook.com/rlsuperleague/ ... 118086357/'" Only saw this incident live, and hadn`t realised until I watched your video, how far Cooper had run to chase down French. His effort to prevent the try, puts his team mates` to shame.

It tells me they are frustrated and that they've probably never tried to make a tackle before. But if they think that booing ... Charnley, Holmes, Magoulias, Thewlis & Dean (as far as I can make out) will help those players, they are wrong. I repeat, to shout "Smiffy you are crap" will not improve Smiffy.

They may not have done, but that is not a prerequisite for passing judgement - the old saying "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" can apply.

I don't think booing helps individual players either, but it does convey "this aint good enough" to the powers that be if that was ever in question. It's also comes from a place of passion so I can understand it.

I understand but ... I know absolutely nothing about opera. If I was to attend an opera (not going to happen) I would not start shouting "yer crap" at the start of the second half.
I am being flippant cos I know lots of good blokes who have never played but they understand the game & know how to behave whilst watching rugby. Imagine turning up to watch Wire at the moment, as a newcomer and watching speccies booing their own players and throwing out insults you'd wonder what the hell is going on. I even saw a speccy leave his seat (a few games back) and throw abuse at the opposition kicker. We are used to it ... but honestly it is not good for Rugby League.

So,
Positive crowd noises - allowed
No crowd noises - allowed but not preferable
Negative crowd noises - absolutely not.

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As far as i understand it all players have been told today who going and whos getting extensions etc....not sure who......yet!

Maybe we should get some of those TV audience prompters that light up with APPLAUSE, BOO and SING AMUSING AND VAGUELY SEXIST SONG at the relavent times?

Extensions sounds worrying, 3 at most I would be thinking out of that list.

Dean and Gannon are junior players out of contract and personally I would be offering both of those guys a new contract.

If you are already including them in your retention thoughts, then there is only room for Cooper too?

Ratchford because he is so versatile could be offered a role and to help ease Dean into being 1st team halfback, but he may get a better deal elsewhere, like Hill did.

Well my thoughts were Dean, Cooper and Mulhern know nothing of Gannon tbh but if people think yes and ofc from the academy then yes

You can't lose that many players in one hit, you probably wont recruit that many in an off season. The transition for Powell has to be years in the making unfortunately.

I'll take a punt at the following extension (assuming they want to stay)

Ratch
Billy M
Mulhean
Dean
Gannon
Charnley (50/50 here)
Cooper
Davis

Out are

Hughes
Doro
Robson (i like but he probably needs to leave if he wants a RL career)
Butler
Widdop

I thought if I absorb the abuse I get on here, then the pressure is off all the other posters.

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