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| Quote ="Superblue"Steve starts with a 7 for guiding us to our finest and greatest modern era victory against the Stains at Wembley,
Throw in another one for our grand final appearance and another one for having the guts to take us on knowing the frailties of our management and playing squad nucleus.
9/10 for me, hope we see him back at the HJ soon.
Legend
Footnote: RIP Alistair Brindle and Micky Peers, two fine Wires'"
Super Glue more like. On it….
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| 1st year i thought we're on to a winner.....then it just went down hill from there.
Crap positional choices, no game plans, no plan B's, picking bench players and not playing them, lack of faith in the kids the majority of the time. The list goes on and on.
Price as a person is a genuine nice guy so i won't slate him personally, but as a coach he was clueless for the most part and as a coach i'm glad he's going, but as a person i wish him the best and hope he does well.
Now Powell is no nonsense, won't take crap or diva behaviour, knows how to up the players games and will instil toughness and grit. Plays players in the positions they are supposed to be in and will give the kids a proper chance.
Genuinely really excited for next year
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| Quote ="Or thane"Now Powell is no nonsense, won't take crap or diva behaviour, knows how to up the players games and will instil toughness and grit. Plays players in the positions they are supposed to be in and will give the kids a proper chance.
Genuinely really excited for next year
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I think there's a risk Warrington fans are overplaying Powell's ability as a coach. He's done a reasonable job with Cas, but seems a very feast or famine coach. He can get them up for a game or two, but consistency over the season has never been there thing. They've looked woeful at times recently. His rants and moans and sulks also don't seem to have always kept the dressing room on board either.
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| I’ve been labelled as a bitter Smith fanatic and a doom monger re: Price since the minute his appointment was announced. I was hugely underwhelmed, given his poor record as a head coach, at him being the man who could go beyond where Smith could take us. (For clarity, there was a wide spread theory that Smith had taken us as far as he could, which I understood, but my point at the time was that we should only replace him if there is someone available who is better.)
Price couldn’t take us further, there was nothing to suggest that he could on his application. If we were looking for grand final wins as an assistant, there are plenty of those as even some with an affinity with the club (Matt King for example). But the executive appointed Price, and haven’t really been held to account by the board for that appointment, which in summary has been pathetic.
The same executive have assessed that Powell is the person to not only succeed Price, but ultimately surpass Smith. That is the task, to actually win the Grand Final. Anything less must been seen as abject failure, given the budget/facilities/squad pedigree. I can’t really understand how they have reached that opinion, given that he has missed the playoffs almost routinely, and when he has got to big games, they have been dispatched comfortably.
It’s not clear what the criteria is to be considered suitable for this role, but I would argue that it is a different person recruiting the coaches than it is convincing Johns, Morley and Matt King to join the club. There isn’t the same drive or ambition.
Bennett is going into another grand final next week, leaving the job next week. Bellamy, at the time, was off contract and was the current champion coach. Shaun Wane, for all to see, is ready to come towards a club scene again. These people, like them or not (and I don’t, on the whole) are WINNERS. You can’t buy a win, but - see Jordan Abdull’s interview re: Price - some people can demand better from a group of men.
Powell may work out, may. But whether he does or he doesn’t, the recruiters need to work as hard on getting the coach in as they did at getting Williams in and under the cap. And, more importantly, the board need to hold these people to account, and stop treating the fans with contempt.
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| Wasn't one of steve price's things he said on day 1 is he wants to play some kids and blood pur future into wire.
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| Here’s hoping for a much more adventurous approach to team selection from Powell than Steve Price has shown in his tenure. Ratchford has only scored one try all season and I can’t recall too many assists which is just not good enough in the modern game so now is the time to start Thewlis at full back. Like also to see how both Ashton and Wrench go on the wings wings to replace brute strength with real pace.
Price’s reluctance to drop players when not playing well has been a feature too - Charnley, Lineham, Hughes and J Clark to name names. Players need to know they are not automatic choices which applies to Toby King post contract.
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| Amen brother. Time for Ratchford to spend his time on the bench as a good cover player. Should have had that role this season but Price did love a non-threatening steady Eddy.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"I’ve been labelled as a bitter Smith fanatic and a doom monger re: Price since the minute his appointment was announced. I was hugely underwhelmed, given his poor record as a head coach, at him being the man who could go beyond where Smith could take us. (For clarity, there was a wide spread theory that Smith had taken us as far as he could, which I understood, but my point at the time was that we should only replace him if there is someone available who is better.)
Price couldn’t take us further, there was nothing to suggest that he could on his application. If we were looking for grand final wins as an assistant, there are plenty of those as even some with an affinity with the club (Matt King for example). But the executive appointed Price, and haven’t really been held to account by the board for that appointment, which in summary has been pathetic.
The same executive have assessed that Powell is the person to not only succeed Price, but ultimately surpass Smith. That is the task, to actually win the Grand Final. Anything less must been seen as abject failure, given the budget/facilities/squad pedigree. I can’t really understand how they have reached that opinion, given that he has missed the playoffs almost routinely, and when he has got to big games, they have been dispatched comfortably.
It’s not clear what the criteria is to be considered suitable for this role, but I would argue that it is a different person recruiting the coaches than it is convincing Johns, Morley and Matt King to join the club. There isn’t the same drive or ambition.
Bennett is going into another grand final next week, leaving the job next week. Bellamy, at the time, was off contract and was the current champion coach. Shaun Wane, for all to see, is ready to come towards a club scene again. These people, like them or not (and I don’t, on the whole) are WINNERS. You can’t buy a win, but - see Jordan Abdull’s interview re: Price - some people can demand better from a group of men.
Powell may work out, may. But whether he does or he doesn’t, the recruiters need to work as hard on getting the coach in as they did at getting Williams in and under the cap. And, more importantly, the board need to hold these people to account, and stop treating the fans with contempt.'"
I'd agree with some of this, but the likes of Bennett (who was [iawful[/i as England coach) and Bellamy aren't going to entertain a job here and neither will players of the calibre of Johns and Morley.
We had to get the best we could and I think we did. Time will tell.
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| I can’t believe what I’m reading about Ratchford!
I value your opinions but in my book, you put your best players in a position where they can get theirs hands on the ball, and that isn’t the bench!!
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| I don't think anybody is questioning ratchfords ability RD but it is more about mental strength.
When Ratchford was penalised for an incorrect play the ball he was frustrated and during the next set of six he decides to stay in the defencive line so that he can get in the referees ear. He stays in the line and mickey Lewis spots it and goes over. World class fullbacks would just get on with their job, get back in position and do what the team needs them to do.
Straight from the restart Ratchford moves to hooker and gives away a penalty for a ball strip. OK Abdul missed that penalty but it could have been 8 points worth of mistakes in 2.mins.
The problem I have is the same as Chris Hill when a decision doesn't go their way. Instead of putting their hand up and the team pulling together to defend the next set after a mistake or being on the wrong end of a 50/50 call then it is shaking of the head and that look of disbelief at the decision. The senior players can question the ref but just get on with your job and encourage your team mates to defend your mistake.
You would never see the likes of Sinfield or Roby do that. They would just get on with it and their team mates would dig in. They don't try and solve the problem on their own. The team would solve the problem..
Some of the senior players have really let themselves down when it comes to mentality in crucial games spanning the Tony Smith and Steve Price era. We can't afford that to continue into the Powell era.
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| Best player? Ratchford 1 try 8 assists. Coote 7 tries 16 assists. It isn't good enough.
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| And Coote is being released. Says it all really
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| You might want to look at the stats of the other super league full backs it makes grim reading. He's light years behind Coote, Tomkins, Myler and others. His stats are the same as Jowitt who has played 7 games left. He's a bluff.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I can’t believe what I’m reading about Ratchford!
I value your opinions but in my book, you put your best players in a position where they can get theirs hands on the ball, and that isn’t the bench!!'"
You've been repeating this ridiculous sentence for years. He IS NOT our best player!!(and the fact that you say he is kind of proves my point ). I've never rated him as most people on here probably know, but hopefully Powell will just him as cover as this should be his last season at the club.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Best player? Ratchford 1 try 8 assists. Coote 7 tries 16 assists. It isn't good enough.'"
Especially when, for some bizarre reason we actually scored more points than saints this season!
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| Coote has played 3 games less than Ratchford as well. He hinders our attack and it was as clear as day on Friday.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"You've been repeating this ridiculous sentence for years. He IS NOT our best player!!(and the fact that you say he is kind of proves my point
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I never said he was Moe our best, I most definitely did said he was one of our “best players” though.
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| Well he's got his hands on the ball a lot this season and as I've just highlighted he's done VERY little with it. That is in a team scoring lots of tries at the top end of the table. Praying Powell strips Hughes of the captaincy and him and Ratchford of starting roles. It'll make a huge difference.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"You've been repeating this ridiculous sentence for years. He IS NOT our best player!!(and the fact that you say he is kind of proves my point
). I've never rated him as most people on here probably know, but hopefully Powell will just him as cover as this should be his last season at the club.'"
Thewlis to fullback, Ashton to left wing and cover/bench player for Ratchford, is the way I see it.
If there is no significant improvement to Charnley, at the start of the season, then give Wrench a gig there and see how he goes.
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| I don’t think Powell will get along with Charnley. I think if a reasonable bid comes in he could make way. Minikin is the obvious choice for that spot, should my suspicions be right.
Ashton getting a new deal signifies that Powell has a plan for him, Thewlis for me has been more consistent than Ashton this season and is heir apparent to Fullback in my mind, so maybe Ashton has first dibs on the left wing.
Is there scope for Brand to come in? I’ve not seen much of Leigh but appeared to finish the season as fullback. Minikin won’t make the start of the season so there is a vacant spot somewhere.
That leaves Ratchford and Thewlis in a battle for fullback, which is a case of when not if Ratchford is displaced. No room for sentiment, Ratch has been great for us, but these calls need making at the right time, not when it’s too late.
The forwards pick themselves really. There’s not a lot and not especially high quality. But you pick Cooper, then pad around him with Mulhearn, Butler, Doro, Clark, Hughes and Harrison once fit. Likely that Currie and Holmes will be second rows with Dobson and Longstaff for cover.
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| Longstaff for cover? Be the first name on the teamsheet for me. He knocks Hughes and J Clark into a cocked hat.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire" Ratch has been great for us/quote
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| I do think Ratchfords contributions have been underestimated at times, and I've been a vocal defender of his, but I do think now is the time to start ushering him towards the sidelines. I'd always find a place on the bench for him but it's time to.move on.
Thewlis, Ashton, Wrench, Doro and Longstaff need big close seasons and if they buy into the new regime then 2022 can be the start of long careers in the starting 17 for all of them.
Walker is another player who has improved hugely and I expect him to flourish under Powell, in the way McShane has.
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| Quote ="Deus Dat Incrementum"I don't think anybody is questioning ratchfords ability RD but it is more about mental strength.
When Ratchford was penalised for an incorrect play the ball he was frustrated and during the next set of six he decides to stay in the defencive line so that he can get in the referees ear. He stays in the line and mickey Lewis spots it and goes over. World class fullbacks would just get on with their job, get back in position and do what the team needs them to do.
Straight from the restart Ratchford moves to hooker and gives away a penalty for a ball strip. OK Abdul missed that penalty but it could have been 8 points worth of mistakes in 2.mins.
The problem I have is the same as Chris Hill when a decision doesn't go their way. Instead of putting their hand up and the team pulling together to defend the next set after a mistake or being on the wrong end of a 50/50 call then it is shaking of the head and that look of disbelief at the decision. The senior players can question the ref but just get on with your job and encourage your team mates to defend your mistake.
You would never see the likes of Sinfield or Roby do that. They would just get on with it and their team mates would dig in. They don't try and solve the problem on their own. The team would solve the problem..
Some of the senior players have really let themselves down when it comes to mentality in crucial games spanning the Tony Smith and Steve Price era. We can't afford that to continue into the Powell era.'"
Absolutely spot on. Ratchford cost any possibility of getting back into that game, as we then panicked and went away from what we did to dominate the opening 15 minutes. Time to move on with Thewlis (not Ashton!) at FB. Hope Powell isn't a square peg in a round hole type of coach. Agree with other posters comments regarding Hughes and J Clark, we need players who offer more with ball in hand, as well as being able to defend.
One thing that I want Powell to do, is to re-ignite Daryl Clark, who has been extremely disappointing this season.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"
Not overly fair or accurate, given his selection in multiple Rep squads during his time with us. Some may not necessarily like him, but you surely can’t dispute his effort for this club.
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