Wasn't aimed at you it was a generalisation of posts I've read.if all these players mentioned are not good enough then we are doing well to be 2nd.anyone would think we are a bottom 3 club...any how defeats do happen frustrating as it is especially like the one handed to us by Salford..but let's not press the panic button just yet

I don't think it's panicking to call for Adkins to be dropped due to his woeful handling and passing, to realise 2019 is the season too far for club legend Westwood and that clubs with a lot less wealth and profile than us manage to operate with more effective halfbacks than Patton.

Often when results don't go your way the weak links are highlighted. Like it or not they are the weak links in our side (together with us being a front line prop short)

Fans expectations have risen massively since 2009 and our first cup win in a long time. I’ve watched us for near on 49 years so I know the really bad times and remember not being has bothered when we lost etc, but this club is now at a much higher level and I for one am grateful that we are. Well the thing is fans now want more and are expecting it so are now more criticising of performances and individuals,it is what it is and yes some people won’t like what is said but that’s what debate is.

I think if you don't enjoy reading criticism of players/putting the counter case you could possibly save yourself the anguish of reading the harrowing assessments by avoiding coming on the club's unofficial forum in the immediate hours after a terrible home display.

The point I am making is that there are players commanding a wage that exceeds their output. BMM for example plays short minutes with varying levels of impact. I think it’s fair to say he’s not one to roll his sleeves up and carry the ball away from our line, doing the dirty work. Yet if you look at Alex Walmsley, similar size player who does similar minutes, who id argue are on similar money, who would you prefer?

My other point is that those on the fringes should be adding a level of enthusiasm to try and stay in the team. Philbin did it last year and has kept his place, Livett proved he could in his first 6 games yet has dropped away. I want these players to take their chance and force the hand of the coach

What I'm saying is we are too critical when we lose..if you can't accept it then you shouldn't come on here but I know you will just to criticize ....

I had it on the wireless & we still sounded as if we are plagued with lack of concentration at times in the handling department & are also at the mercy of refs when it comes to being penalised. An improvement in those two areas would make a massive difference to consistency on the field. The last line of defence seems in great shape as does that attack when confidence shines through.

Occasionally I would get criticised at work by people whom I knew didnt have the skills to do my job. I didnt take it well and it certainly didnt help my performance. Hopefully, any players reading this forum will respond differently than I did.

Surely it's different because ..

1. This is a private forum, players don't need to even be aware of it.
2. Criticism and adulation is part and parcel of professional sport. We are not here to nurture or mentor employees we are here to talk about the performance of our team which has existed a long time before and a long time after the current squad (as will us fans).

I am worried about the snowflakification of this board. Seems like we can bawl insults from the terraces that the players can hear, but not vent an opinion on here which they won't read.

Taking it further maybe we should have nurtured Tony Smith a little more rather than criticise his team selection, results, and recruitment. You know put an arm round his shoulder and build his confidence.

I agree (I've ignored the last jibe).

It's called hyperbole. ie) now we have beaten Hull KR we are world beaters again with a squad ram, jam, full of international talent.

No we are not world beaters.we are the 2nd best team in the comp atm..that could change especially if there's any more performances like Salford..hopefully not...I do understand the frustration getting walloped.but to me it was a knee jerk reaction....

And your entitled to that opinion has others are entitled to theirs,as I said earlier expectations have risen and a lot of fans will be a lot less tolerant of poor performances, 1 good performance does not fix all ills,just saying.

I'm being critical when we win.
KR and FC were massively under strength.
40-50 minute wins at most of the games we've played this season.

We still lack something up front as Westwood and Tasi and BMM if we're using him as prop, are lacking what we lost even from George King.

Great point. The vitriol and booing from the stands at the Salford match would have bothered the players a lot more than a forum.

You also get people directly talking to players on Facebook/Twitter. Forums have always been a good place to vent.

[iNo-one[/i, regardless of their career should be exempt from [iconstructive[/i criticism, it's how we improve. Just because we aren't professional RL players doesn't mean we aren't qualified to make observations. I'm not a politician but we all get to vent our beliefs and oust the incompetent at the ballot box every four years.

It's professional sport, it's not an exact science. Salford went onto get beat by a very poor Wigan team, we went onto slaughter HKR. On the same weekend, Man U fans watched in disbelief as the team that defied all odds to beat PSG got ripped to shreds by mid-table Everton.

When players are replaced by robots, gameplans by software and tactics by algorithims we can expect more, until then unpredictability and falibility is what keeps us coming back.

To listen to opposing coaches ,i don't think we have beaten a full strength side so far this season ! They all seem to get their "reasons" in before kick off.

You may have something there. Could it be that opposing coaches look at our strength on paper and accept the loss before the game kicks off? The exceptions being Saints, who wanted to compete and Salford - who had to compete having lost 4 on the run.

It seams to me everyone knows our first up defence is our weakness...or laziness.
We give every attacking team 7-8 yards to run if they want it.

Agree RD, this was main issue at Saints and against Salford. I listened to the game at HKR, and therefore cannot comment as to whether we improved in that department. HKR's try came about because we backed off, hope this wasn't/isn't going to be repeated.
I doff my cap at Ratchford's excellent goal kicking.

I miss our defensive intensity from when price took over, or that commitment and effort we had not seen for a while under smiht. The players seemed to have slacked off or reverted to old habits. It's surely a mental thing to maintain that and be proud of it.

Is it coincidence that it's happening now we seem to be more of a threat going forward? Did we over complicate our buildup to the Easter weekend by holding back in defence to conserve energy?

We cannot keep bemoaning the forwards as not good enough, they have it within them to have matched the Saints, salford and catalans pack. On that particular day they didn't for two of those sides we win more often than not. So the actual game does not frustrate mess much as our ability to persistently lose games were expected to win. I cannot really put that on price as the same could be said under Smith. So I don't know how it keeps happening, same could be said about Liverpool they always had a loss to a Sunderland or Coventry and were the same but under klopp there's been quite a big turnover of players the team today is quite different to from a few years ago. Has price had the oppertunity to bring in enough of his own yet to turn us into genuine title contenders or is he starting to build? I'm still not sure iveseen enough to think this team can win the grand final, they can beat any side in tbe league but in pressure games I'm not always as confidant.

There are only 2 teams who can win the grand final this year, and we are one of them. Saints are favourites, and rightfully so, but they were the best team by a mile in the regular season last year. Every time I hear price speak(after a win or loss)he has a steely determination in his voice. Saints will be very worried when they meet us in the grand final.

Sort our defence out by moving up quick and smothering their attack. Saints showed us how to do it-we used to do it well on occasions, especially against Leeds. Also, look at the effect it had on Austin, it completely took him out the game. It just takes a bit of extra effort and a bit of an aggressive attitude.
If we don't do it v saints, we'll lose again, no doubt about it. On a plus side, our attack is looking better this season, but as shown already; it's only fully effective when we're playing on the front foot, and defence plays a huge part.

Can we pause a moment and be delighted that Sita was great on Monday. He put in some huge carries and nudged up his average minutes.
The delight amongst the team when he scored was notable.
I believe he's picked up the M.o.S. 1 pointer. Super stuff

Yes it's very encouraging, I think Philbin described him as "possessed". Let's hope he is rewarded by keeping his place in the side.

Akauola has all the physical attributes. Hopefully Price has played it well and brought a new attitude out of him. Very pleased to see him get a MOS point.

With the way our forwards performed against Saints and Salford, surely he has to keep his place. Matt Davis too.