Quote ="Wires71"Agar was head of recruitment for the St George womens' team. I don't know him from Adam but I do know we were dross in 2017 and he was assistant coach. https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/06/04/st- ... emiership/'" Agreed we were dross in 2017. We reached 2 finals in 2016. I'm don't know his level of accountability in either, but people seem to want to pin 2017 on him, and ignore 2016 as it doesn't fit the Agar is crap narrative. He wasn't just head of recruitment for the Women's team, that was one of his responsibilities, including juniors and the "high performance unit". [urlhttps://www.dragons.com.au/news/2018/10/22/agar-returns-to-england/[/url That was sort of my point - his head coach record isn't good - if Leeds announced he was their new head coach, then I would look on it with derision. But he might actually be pretty good at a "head of performance" (or however you want to title it) type of role within the backroom setup.

Quote ="Wires71"Agar was head of recruitment for the St George womens' team. I don't know him from Adam but I do know we were dross in 2017 and he was assistant coach. https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/06/04/st- ... emiership/'" Agreed we were dross in 2017. We reached 2 finals in 2016. I'm don't know his level of accountability in either, but people seem to want to pin 2017 on him, and ignore 2016 as it doesn't fit the Agar is crap narrative. He wasn't just head of recruitment for the Women's team, that was one of his responsibilities, including juniors and the "high performance unit". [urlhttps://www.dragons.com.au/news/2018/10/22/agar-returns-to-england/[/url That was sort of my point - his head coach record isn't good - if Leeds announced he was their new head coach, then I would look on it with derision. But he might actually be pretty good at a "head of performance" (or however you want to title it) type of role within the backroom setup.

Yes 2016 we reached 2 finals and I never accepted this as relatively successful for a team with a coach in his 7th year. It is only successful for Price because of the low base he worked from and only 11 months in which to do it.

In 2015 we were dross too ending the league in 6th and beaten by Hull KR in the semi. So in Agar's tenure.

2015 - Dross
2016 - Lost both finals.
2017 - Dross

Then we can reflect on comments from Wakefield and Hull supporters which are not a ringing endorsement. Then these comments from our very own K. Brown.



I would not be in a hurry to have him back but do not wish him ill.



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The Kevin Brown quote doesn't mention Agar.

It just confirms what I think we all agree on - there was a LOT wrong behind the scenes in the final few years of Smith's tenure.

Player recruitment and succession planning (Smith's punts and projects eg Bailey, our halfback situation was dire, players not wanting to sign for us after meeting TS), Smith had clearly lost his mojo, the players didn't like working with Mick Turner (who also arrived for the 2015 season) etc.

I'm not trying to be an Agar champion - I just think he's unfairly become a lightning rod for all that was wrong.

Can't give Brown an argument. He said pretty much bar his own contribution on how it was.

By and large Brown this season has be fair to good with the exception of leaving arguably his 2 worst performances for both finals.

Yes we agree on that. Just as I don't think it is fair he is blamed for everything, it is not fair for him to avoid any responsibility either. He is culpable along with TS.

With hindsight my view is '17 was a reflection on leadership and TS showed as much leadership in that season as the captain of the Costa Concordia. For all we know Agar was the equivalent of the Italian coastguard shouting "Captain get back on your ship!"

I think there 's a gulf of harshness Captain.

Well there was a flood of criticism suggesting the tide had turned against TS. When you are in rocky waters you need a firm hand on the tiller.