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| Can someone put up the list of honours domic and eager won after leaving us to go on to greater things?
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| Yes we chose Appo over Domic which at the time made sense due to his form in the second half of 2003 but in hindsight was a bad choice as the attitude/professionalism of the two players was very different.
Gillies was an interesting one. He was only 29 when he came but he retired after one season with us. I thought he was a good player for us but he sometimes comes up in those threads of "worst ever imports". Maybe he was overhyped when we signed him, he was basically an old school tough workhorse Aussie who DVDV brought in to provide some leadership and grit to a soft team, but maybe people were expecting a barnstorming running/offloading second rower, which he wasn't. Possibly he also suffered from association with Scott Wilson who had been with him at the Bulldogs and they signed together, and there was general frustration with Aussie signings at the time.
He's not really 'one that got away' as he never signed for anyone else, but he's one that seems to have an unfairly low rating amongst Warrington fans.
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| Gillies certainly wasn't the worst import and was far better than Danny Lima, Craig Teitzel, Adam Doyle and Roy Asotasi to name but four. Blocker Roach couldn't be bothered most of the time, too.
Yes Lefty, the debate is stretching the premise a bit (ok, a lot), but what we would give to see the likes of Phil Blake in P&B once more.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Can someone put up the list of honours domic and eager won after leaving us to go on to greater things?'"
Never thought your argument means much. You don't have to be dripping in medals to be a decent player.
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| And then there's Ryan Bailey on the other side of the coin.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Gillies certainly wasn't the worst import and was far better than Danny Lima, Craig Teitzel, Adam Doyle and Roy Asotasi to name but four. Blocker Roach couldn't be bothered most of the time, too.
Yes Lefty, the debate is stretching the premise a bit (ok, a lot), but what we would give to see the likes of Phil Blake in P&B once more.'"
A fifty odd year old Phil Blake of today would probably shape up better than this bunch!!
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Can someone put up the list of honours domic and eager won after leaving us to go on to greater things?'"
No honours in the way you mean, but Sid Domic was in the Dream Team at Wakefield, which you'd think means he was outstanding considering how unfashionable Wakefield are as a club.
Eager made a couple of Semi Finals with Cas. It was a good era for them. I'm pretty sure Cas were above Warrington in all that period, so I'd say Eager did alright.
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| both eager and domic ended up at hull, weirdly.
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| Back on topic
I wouldnt have kept any of the seven. All good decisions.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"but what we would give to see the likes of Phil Blake in P&B once more.'"
You speakamalanguage, MPN
Sadly, at the time, it was really only big time Kiwis that would come over here, permanently (Tamati, West, Bell etc). Aussies just did September to February, and went back home.
To anyone on here under the age of 35, you really missed out on a absolute joy to watch. The only player currently comparable to Blake, would possibly be an in form Barba. He had a better kicking game than Diego Maradonna. His try v Widnes on his debut (LCCSF) was a thing of beauty. A packed Wilderspool, that night.
(iirc) there are a couple of YouTube clips of him.
Sorry fellas, there's something in my eye (sniff)
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"You speakamalanguage, MPN
Sadly, at the time, it was really only big time Kiwis that would come over here, permanently (Tamati, West, Bell etc). Aussies just did September to February, and went back home.
To anyone on here under the age of 35, you really missed out on a absolute joy to watch. The only player currently comparable to Blake, would possibly be an in form Barba. He had a better kicking game than Diego Maradonna. His try v Widnes on his debut (LCCSF) was a thing of beauty. A packed Wilderspool, that night.
(iirc) there are a couple of YouTube clips of him.
Sorry fellas, there's something in my eye (sniff)'"
It's a sorry fact that despite the money brought in from the TV rights and SKY, and SL, we will never see talents like that (Blake/Davies/Hanley/Scofield/Offiah again in our sport.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"You speakamalanguage, MPN
Sadly, at the time, it was really only big time Kiwis that would come over here, permanently (Tamati, West, Bell etc). =#FF0000Aussies just did September to February, and went back home.
To anyone on here under the age of 35, you really missed out on a absolute joy to watch. The only player currently comparable to Blake, would possibly be an in form Barba. He had a better kicking game than Diego Maradonna. His try v Widnes on his debut (LCCSF) was a thing of beauty. A packed Wilderspool, that night.
(iirc) there are a couple of YouTube clips of him.
Sorry fellas, there's something in my eye (sniff)'"
Bob Jackson, Brian Johnson & Les Boyd. They all came over here at a similar time. They lasted a few years over here.
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| Tbf,
Was Jackson a regular down under, in 1983?
Johnson was at the fag-end of his career, and we squeezed 3 years out of him. He was never going to usurp Jack, Belcher, Eadie, et al, for the Aussie No 1 jersey.
And Boyd, well no Aus club would touch him with a pooey stick.
The Aussie transfer embargo ended in time for the 84-5 season, and not many came over here for more than the 5 month stint .
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Tbf,
Was Jackson a regular down under, in 1983?
Johnson was at the fag-end of his career, and we squeezed 3 years out of him. He was never going to usurp Jack, Belcher, Eadie, et al, for the Aussie No 1 jersey.
And Boyd, well no Aus club would touch him with a pooey stick.
The Aussie transfer embargo ended in time for the 84-5 season, and not many came over here for more than the 5 month stint .'"
Johnson was only 28 when he came here.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"You speakamalanguage, MPN
Sadly, at the time, it was really only big time Kiwis that would come over here, permanently (Tamati, West, Bell etc). Aussies just did September to February, and went back home.
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This was the era before the NZ Warriors, so there was no elite level professional club option for the New Zealanders. Some played for Aussie clubs but the option of a career in the UK was more important to the Kiwis than the Aussies.
However, the flipside of those days when our season didn't run at the same time as the Aussies, was there was the option for elite Aussie players to do an off-season stint in the UK without affecting their Australian club career. So you had the top Kangaroos players like Sterling, Kenny, Meninga, Lewis coming over as well as guys like Blake. That would be the equivalent now of being able to sign Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater for half the season over here....which would give our game a major profile boost.
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| Quote ="PopTart"No honours in the way you mean, but Sid Domic was in the Dream Team at Wakefield, which you'd think means he was outstanding considering how unfashionable Wakefield are as a club.
Eager made a couple of Semi Finals with Cas. It was a good era for them. I'm pretty sure Cas were above Warrington in all that period, so I'd say Eager did alright.'"
The key point is both those players would have easily got in the Warrington team had we kept them, and would have been better than the players we replaced them with.
The one player who did get one over on us by winning honours was Martin Gleeson. Despite the fact that Gleeson had been a very good player for us, and was the signing that really kicked us off as a team to be taken seriously, he seemed to have become unpopular with our fan base by the end. I think it was because by the end of 2008 he seemed to be seriously peed off with playing in an underperforming team that was not going to win trophies and he looked like he was sulking, although in terms of performances he was still playing quite consistently well for us. He then went to the 2009 World Cup and was one of England's best players and looked sharp and motivated when he was playing for England, more than he did for us. One of TS first decisions was to move Gleeson on to Wigan and sign Mathers in return, I remember that being a popular decision amongst our fans, proof that TS "didn't care about reputations". Gleeson then went on to win Super League with Wigan although his career did tail off alarmingly after that point. I think we got rid of Gleeson about 18 months too soon.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Tbf,
Was Jackson a regular down under, in 1983?
=#FF0000Johnson was at the fag-end of his career, and we squeezed 3 years out of him. He was never going to usurp Jack, Belcher, Eadie, et al, for the Aussie No 1 jersey.
And Boyd, well no Aus club would touch him with a pooey stick.
The Aussie transfer embargo ended in time for the 84-5 season, and not many came over here for more than the 5 month stint .'"
Those tries at Elland Road (v Halifax) and Knowsley Road (v Wigan), and there were others, if only Wire had someone that could do that in the current squad.
He somehow looked like he was slow, while being the proverbial off a shovel.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"This was the era before the NZ Warriors, so there was no elite level professional club option for the New Zealanders. Some played for Aussie clubs but the option of a career in the UK was more important to the Kiwis than the Aussies.
However, the flipside of those days when our season didn't run at the same time as the Aussies, was there was the option for elite Aussie players to do an off-season stint in the UK without affecting their Australian club career. So you had the top Kangaroos players like Sterling, Kenny, Meninga, Lewis coming over as well as guys like Blake. =#FF0000That would be the equivalent now of being able to sign Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater for half the season over here....which would give our game a major profile boost.'"
Lets sack off summer rugby, go back to an August to May season and get them over here as soon as!
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The key point is both those players would have easily got in the Warrington team had we kept them, and would have been better than the players we replaced them with.
The one player who did get one over on us by winning honours was Martin Gleeson. Despite the fact that Gleeson had been a very good player for us, and was the signing that really kicked us off as a team to be taken seriously, he seemed to have become unpopular with our fan base by the end. I think it was because by the end of 2008 he seemed to be seriously peed off with playing in an underperforming team that was not going to win trophies and he looked like he was sulking, although in terms of performances he was still playing quite consistently well for us. He then went to the 2009 World Cup and was one of England's best players and looked sharp and motivated when he was playing for England, more than he did for us. One of TS first decisions was to move Gleeson on to Wigan and sign Mathers in return, I remember that being a popular decision amongst our fans, proof that TS "didn't care about reputations". Gleeson then went on to win Super League with Wigan although his career did tail off alarmingly after that point. I think we got rid of Gleeson about 18 months too soon.'"
The Briers/Gleeson link was very special. When those two meet up (now) they will know about that.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"The Briers/Gleeson link was very special. When those two meet up (now) they will know about that.'"
The whole of that right side was superb.
Add to those names, Swann and Fa'afili
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The key point is both those players would have easily got in the Warrington team had we kept them, and would have been better than the players we replaced them with.
The one player who did get one over on us by winning honours was Martin Gleeson. Despite the fact that Gleeson had been a very good player for us, and was the signing that really kicked us off as a team to be taken seriously, he seemed to have become unpopular with our fan base by the end. I think it was because by the end of 2008 he seemed to be seriously peed off with playing in an underperforming team that was not going to win trophies and he looked like he was sulking, although in terms of performances he was still playing quite consistently well for us. He then went to the 2009 World Cup and was one of England's best players and looked sharp and motivated when he was playing for England, more than he did for us. One of TS first decisions was to move Gleeson on to Wigan and sign Mathers in return, I remember that being a popular decision amongst our fans, proof that TS "didn't care about reputations". Gleeson then went on to win Super League with Wigan although his career did tail off alarmingly after that point. I think we got rid of Gleeson about 18 months too soon.'"
Glees got shown the door has he was actively trying to get a contract in the Nrl, which Tony smith didnt want to deal with so used him as a bargaining chip.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The key point is both those players would have easily got in the Warrington team had we kept them, and would have been better than the players we replaced them with.
The one player who did get one over on us by winning honours was Martin Gleeson. Despite the fact that Gleeson had been a very good player for us, and was the signing that really kicked us off as a team to be taken seriously, he seemed to have become unpopular with our fan base by the end. I think it was because by the end of 2008 he seemed to be seriously peed off with playing in an underperforming team that was not going to win trophies and he looked like he was sulking, although in terms of performances he was still playing quite consistently well for us. He then went to the 2009 World Cup and was one of England's best players and looked sharp and motivated when he was playing for England, more than he did for us. One of TS first decisions was to move Gleeson on to Wigan and sign Mathers in return, I remember that being a popular decision amongst our fans, proof that TS "didn't care about reputations". Gleeson then went on to win Super League with Wigan although his career did tail off alarmingly after that point. I think we got rid of Gleeson about 18 months too soon.'"
Hindsight's a wonderful thing, Sally, but personally, I think Smith played a blinder, for all concerned.
Smith's man management skills indentified a problem with Gleeson (I'd heard one or two stories about his off field behaviour, if they were true, maybe it was for the best)
Gleeson's Wire career had "platteaued" a bit, but still better than most
We get a fresh player, and a ton of money, in the bank.
Gleeson goes on to win a GF for his hometown team, we win 3 CCs in 4 years.
Everyone's a winner, pot pourri, as Del Trotter would say
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| Best thing TS ever did as departure of players go, was getting rid of Gleeson...and we got a 6 figure deal off the Pies too.
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| Gleason had a negative effect on the rest of the squad. He may have won a GF with Wigan but he was pretty much out of the door soon after. Another huge talent wasted by attitude. That 2005 season showed he was clearly one of the most talented centres in world RL when in shape and motivated.
Plus, Mathers’ three try-saving tackles in the first 10 minutes of the 2010 cup final allowed us to dominate the next 70 minutes.... no world beater but a massive positive influence on the squad. And didn’t throw his dummy out when hodsgon was signed.
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| Watching the Eng v SA RU game and staggered to suddenly see Jon Clarke walk on to the pitch with water bottles, that had passed me
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