Those comments are down to ONE poster though, not seen any such comments from others. I like where we are at the minute, just nicely positioned. Saints are not one trick ponies and are rightly favourites - saying that i find Saddened's comments a bit rich as i find the scousers by far the most arrogant fans completely lacking in magnanimity as well. (they still harp on about the 2016 semi where they were deservedly beaten).

You talk about hair pulling and sledging, did you see or hear any of that? You might as well throw in biting as well as the Toronto players claimed that! If you did hear or see any of that then you're a better man than me as I've watched it back twice now and caught none of that.

Sin-binning and sending off were both a little harsh I agree but by the laws correct. The McCrone sin-binning fully justified. You know full well how Rowley sets his teams up and it's churlish anti-wire rubbish to suggest we were the architects of that game's ill-discipline.

The main culprit for this 'wire arrogant fans think they are gonna win everything' is the repulsive Eddie Hemmings. For the last 5-10 years he has constantly broadcast the lie to the RL masses that everybody in Warrington expects the treble this year.

Goodness me. My name is Morrissey, I'm addicted to Wires and Lidl yoghurt and twas me that dared call Saints a one-trick pony.

Fact is, Saints worst performances or defeats (Leeds away.and Catalan at home) have coincided with Barba being out or nullified as much as poss.

Without him, Saints rely on Lomax, Farges and Matty Smith for inspiration which hardly inspires the same levels of confidence.

Barba is not only an exceptional player but his presence lifts the confidence and belief of the team, something the players themselves freely admit to. Saints know that without him a huge chunk of their potency is gone so they play to his strengths, and who wouldn't? It isn't clever coaching or gameplans because no-one at Saints could fulfill that role.

I’m afraid Saddened poisoned the well a long time ago, he clearly fears any suggestion of a resurgent Wire and all his posts should be viewed through that prism.

Saints have 3 players in the top 10 try scoring charts.
Saints have 2 forwards in the top 10 yardage. (The only other forward is Hill)
Barba is behind Myler for Try assists.
Saints concede less than 12 pts per game.

I don't think it's accurate to call them "one trick", just as it wasn't right to call Wire that when we had Sandow.






Luke Thompson is the highest yardage forward in SL.

Sorry W71
I think they are but I'm not using stats to argue against my eyes. They've played nobody since early season but a busted Cas in the cup. Stats aren't a fair reflection until the season is balanced and all the results are there for comparison.
I've said it several times...Saints run in to rnd 23 is tough. Let's reflect stats after rnd 23. Even then it's not completely balanced because Saints have a Magic gimme.

What on Earth are you on about, we’ve played every team in SL? You say ‘let’s reflect stats after rnd 23’ because you hope that Saints lose to Wire and Wigan (we’ll definitely beat Warrington) and it knocks us down. We’ve both played 15 games, stats are a fair reflection, you just don’t want them to be because they don’t suit.

Fact is, Barba scored 2 against Leeds so he was hardly nullified. You don’t mention the Hull FC game, we won easily and Barba was out.

If you're that thick explaining will make little difference.

Fans of a club playing an improving style of rugby and on a winning run after a dreadful previous season are happy, how very strange. Smug! Don't be foolish that's the nature of sport. Nobody (except the duck) is saying what you are accusing us of, and quite frankly that doesn't count.

Please do explain, because you’re talking rubbish as usual. If you can’t see the value in stats when both teams have played 15 games in all comps then it’s you who’s thick.

Is you beating us more/less/same definite as you beating Wakefield earlier on this season?

As definite as us beating you at the start of the season was.

The shorter the span, the less accurate the stat...plus identical comparison are required to measure change.
2 very define reasons.
That's it.
Like it or lump it.

If it's a Saints "gimme". Why do you have a Widnes win?


a) Crowd (St James Park Capacity 52,405): 66750 (42000+24750)
b) Score and Winning team: Wigan 18 v 21 Warrington
c) First try (Wire player):Atkins
d) Time of first try: 20min
e) Last try (any team, player not time):Bateman
f) Kicks over the sticks (combined):8

g) Widnes v St Helens h)2
Castleford v Leeds a)2
Salford v Catalans a)2
Wakefield v Huddersfield h)2
Hull KR v Hull FC h)2

Care to tell us what your prediction was for that Wakefield match?

I think I put Wakefield h)2.

Sorry Duck I was asking the Oracle (AS...).

No apologies required and thanks CH.
I did predict a loss where does AJ stats case against me leave him now?

We’re both 15 games in and 14 of those in the league, it’s hardly a couple of games. The stats are a more than fair reflection of how teams have performed so far this season, which is why Saints are 1st and 2nd on most. As for the second point I’ve no clue what you’re on about, we’ve both played every team once and both played Huddersfield twice. As I’ve said, the stats accurately represent how every team has performed, you just don’t want them to because they don’t favour Warrington.

I actually wasn’t confident on us winning that game, I didn’t make a prediction but I was unsure. However, completely irrelevant seen as I’m saying we’ll definitely beat Warrington (not Wakefield).

Get a life