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| Quote ="moving on..."Why? this is a forum for discussion on our club. You acknowledge we aren't playing well so why gloss over it? Tell it how it is.
What has any of that got to do with what I said? I said clubs like Wigan Saints and Leeds strive for perfection and won't accept anything less. everyone from the chairman to the program seller is in a winning mentality. Here at Warrington there seems to be an atmosphere of "It doesn't matter as long as you try your best"
I never said we're entitled to win everything. No club is.
But what every club should have is expectations and standards.
G. King has picked up a tad I will admit.
And you are indeed correct about delivering a quick play the ball, however. You still have to win the collision. Making contact and hitting the floor is far less effective then hitting the opposition, keeping your momentum going, hitting the ground on your terms and getting up and playing the ball before the markers can get set.
At the minute, We're surrendering the tackle and the markers have the to stand up and get set before we can play the ball.
I guarantee you now Clark would prefer one maker on the floor or the markers not square any day of the week rather than simply a quick play the ball. A messy ruck is paradise for Daryl.
If smith wants his forward to play as you stay then they should at least be steaming onto a short ball and leaving at least one defender skittled on the floor
And before Captain Hook pipes up about expecting super human players again. You don't have to be super human to run hard. you don't even have to be big. It all comes down to heart and desire.'"
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| "moving on" where have I glossed over anything? I see Philbins' form as a positive. I acknowledge that players suffer injuries and loss of form, I wish we were playing a lot better.
Your posts read like a contestant from one of those talent shows "it shows if you want something enough anything is possible" No, it isn't.
Heart and desire are not enough. What about skill? What about being injury free? And where in your philosophy does the opponent fit in? It is not possible in a salary capped sport for all the players on one team to be better than all the players on the other team.
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| Yeah so julien heh ...
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| Quote ="moving on..."It was yes because it's the truth.
There are bigger blokes in out pack with more weight and greater experience who run the ball in half d, make contact and hit the floor. Philbin and Jullien at the moment are showing players like Sims, Cooper and G. King how to take a ball in and how to put a shot on.
It's not negativity at all, it's the truth. Your mentality of "Why can't we just focus on the positives?" Is the very reason why we haven't won a GF yet. Do you think Wigan, Saints and Leeds are happy with scraping wins, but "That's ok because we played ok in patches." The answer is no. Their fans and the club demand more and that's why they've got to where they are.
Yes the Easter period is taxing but we're extremely lucky we've played two of the worst teams teams in the league and one of the most inconsistent. Whether you want to face the facts or not, We've played absolutely garbage with a few individual performances scraping us through.
So yes, it does need mentioning. Because until People start waking up the drivel that is being served up not just at our club but others too, Warrington and SL will continue to underperform and under achieve compared to the top clubs like Wigan, Saints and Leeds and the top league that is the NRL.'"
Totally agree. It's exactly why Saints sack their coach and club legend as the results and playing style are not acceptable to the club or the fans. Warrington on the other hand have a chairman appealing for support and superfans on Facebook saying "great performance" after the Huddersfield game. We also have the excuse brigade armed with an inexhaustible supply of reasons why everything other than the head coach are to blame (salary cap, injuries, individual form, private life issues, time to gel, confidence etc etc etc).
Smith, never, not once, speaks up and accepts any type of responsibility for the performances. All his interviews are constructed from the perspective that what is happening is some sort of "act of god" that he has no control of. Just trots out the "we are hurting" bs.
If players are out of form - drop them. If they have personal issues - relieve them. If there are no replacements - whose fault is that? If we keep making silly errors - fix it. We seem to have no attacking structure in the opposition 30 - drill the team with structure.
But don't dare express dissatisfaction on the clubs No 1 unofficial forum as you will be pilloried and have all sorts of comments made about your personal outlook on life. It's all got to be rosey. All must have prizes.
I honestly think the majority of Warrington fans, and forum posters, would put up with anything.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Totally agree. It's exactly why Saints sack their coach and club legend as the results and playing style are not acceptable to the club or the fans. Warrington on the other hand have a chairman appealing for support and superfans on Facebook saying "great performance" after the Huddersfield game. We also have the excuse brigade armed with an inexhaustible supply of reasons why everything other than the head coach are to blame (salary cap, injuries, individual form, private life issues, time to gel, confidence etc etc etc).
Smith, never, not once, speaks up and accepts any type of responsibility for the performances. All his interviews are constructed from the perspective that what is happening is some sort of "act of god" that he has no control of. Just trots out the "we are hurting" bs.
If players are out of form - drop them. If they have personal issues - relieve them. If there are no replacements - whose fault is that? If we keep making silly errors - fix it. We seem to have no attacking structure in the opposition 30 - drill the team with structure.
But don't dare express dissatisfaction on the clubs No 1 unofficial forum as you will be pilloried and have all sorts of comments made about your personal outlook on life. It's all got to be rosey. All must have prizes.
I honestly think the majority of Warrington fans, and forum posters, would put up with anything.'"
It seems to be those who don't agree with your view that are pilloried.
Interesting that you raise the issue of Saints though. They have griped about KC for a lot longer than you have about TS. They suffered poor results, poor signings and a dull style of play for far longer than we have under TS.
Just to reiterate though, my position is that I am far from happy with our playing style this season, that it MAY be that TS is due for replacement (subject to a suitable alternative), but I do not want him sacked mid season. I can see however that there are forces other than just the coach that account for some of our problems and as has been pointed out the forum is for opinions...these are my opinions...
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"It seems to be those who don't agree with your view that are pilloried.
Interesting that you raise the issue of Saints though. They have griped about KC for a lot longer than you have about TS. They suffered poor results, poor signings and a dull style of play for far longer than we have under TS.
Just to reiterate though, my position is that I am far from happy with our playing style this season, that it MAY be that TS is due for replacement (subject to a suitable alternative), but I do not want him sacked mid season. I can see however that there are forces other than just the coach that account for some of our problems and as has been pointed out the forum is for opinions...these are my opinions...'"
and valid too even on a Jullien thread
I agree that it is the posters taking a negative position are generally the ones dishing it out about others. Show any kind of balance, any hint of positivity, then you must be an ostrich, a superfan, someone prepared to put up with any old rubbish, someone who needs to wake up.....perhaps we should be someone that plays golf, or rides a motorbike while we criticise?
Apologies for adding to the derailment, there's surely enough of this type of commentary on other threads why don't we stick it out on those and agree that Jullien is a positive this season?
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| Apologies for derailing!
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| He reminds me of a young Paul Derbyshire, not actually aware of his size and genially believes that he is 6ft 5 and 19 stones with the heart of a lion
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| I said the other day to my dad that George King seems to have developed some good impact this season. He seems to be moving a lot faster and hitting a lot harder then I've seen before. Him, Jullien and savelio are brightening up the pack for me at the moment. I love sims but he doesn't have the impact that a prop needs, still wouldn't leave him out the side though puts his all in to each game game. Get Crosby back once he is ready and the pack will be a lot better still.
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| Quote ="Or thane"I said the other day to my dad that George King seems to have developed some good impact this season. He seems to be moving a lot faster and hitting a lot harder then I've seen before. Him, Jullien and savelio are brightening up the pack for me at the moment. I love sims but he doesn't have the impact that a prop needs, still wouldn't leave him out the side though puts his all in to each game game. Get Crosby back once he is ready and the pack will be a lot better still.'"
Sims is a 2nd row forward. Fact.
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| ....and a class one, fiction.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Sims is a 2nd row forward. Fact.'"
All those games he played for the Cowboys in the front row; clueless NRL coaches.
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| So when I thought that we were having to cope with only 2 front line props last season we actually only had 1 plus a second rower? Makes last seasons achievements (Failures) even more remarkable.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Sims is a 2nd row forward. Fact.'"
its is infact, the complete opposite of a fact.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Sims is a 2nd row forward. Fact.'"
Check your source. Your facts are inaccurate
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| Quote ="moving on..."Sims is a 2nd row forward. Fact.'"
If Sims played at second row the opposition would run rings around him.
Not a fact. Just my opinion.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"All those games he played for the Cowboys in the front row; clueless NRL coaches.'"
Yes because he never played 2nd row in the NRL at all did he?
Just look at how effective he is/was when he ends up on the edge of the field like Vs Les cats at the start of the season. His offload game which is clearly encouraged would be far more deadly in the second row where he'll have an option to offload to a centre, a half, a hooker or winger.
Just because he played there for NQ doesn't mean he couldn't do a good job in SL in the back row.
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| Sims is a pretty decent passer of the ball & is solid in defence & i too think he would be better as a ball playing second rower than trying to break through the line as a prop which he clearly isn't big enough to do.
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| Hope Julien plays v Hull. I like the way he plays.
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| Quote ="ninearches"Sims is a pretty decent passer of the ball & is solid in defence & i too think he would be better as a ball playing second rower than trying to break through the line as a prop which he clearly isn't big enough to do.'"
He has the right height and build for the second row too. He isn't going to charge in and bust a tackle at prop. we know that. as a 2nd row hitting a line with a bit of space to work in he could be far more effective.
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| I think Sims would struggle with the defensive effort wider out. I also hope Jullien plays a part on Friday.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I think Sims would struggle with the defensive effort wider out. I also hope Jullien plays a part on Friday.'"
Wouldn't hurt to give him 15 minutes. start with Hughes on the bench. That might give jack a gentle kick up the . He's way off from the player he was last season.
Understandable with his best mate being Dom but if his head isn't in the right place he shouldn't be playing.
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| No way Sims is a SR! He doesnt have the pace or mobility!
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouWolves"No way Sims is a SR! He doesnt have the pace or mobility!'"
He's one of our most mobile Props.... and why would he need bags of pace to make a decent backrower?
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| Last year I'd agree but Sims has upped his game at prop and he's okay. He has a role to play and whilst not braking down doors he's at least knocking hard on them and running off!
Whilst I wouldn't automatically extend his contract, he wants to remain a Wire and that will argue in his favour for next season.
See, I'm not a Sims basher, all I want to see is commitment, passion and improvement. He fits the slot.
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