the difference being saints have managed to grind out a few wins even when playing so badly

Can't Wait for the post match interviews...

"And now we go down to Angela at the screen who's with both coaches after that 4-4 result."

A: "Thanks Brian, I'm here with the St. Helens coach Kieran Cunningham. Kieran, In what was a very scrappy game against a desperate Warrington side, you must be proud of the defensive effort you boys put in to deny the endless barrage of Warrington scoots from the play the ball and one up rugby."

K: "Thanks Angela. Yeah I'm really happy with the way my team stuck together. Listen, I'm not going to comment on the refereeing yet again because if it wasn't for the referee I've marked us down there to have scored 15 tries and probably 14 conversions. Its... It's sad. It's sad Angela that once again no one can see inside my head and how I imagine us playing."

A: "I see. Were you happy with how your team executed?"

K: "I can't comment on that Angela. Because once again it's sad that a game with the potential to see Saint Helens whitewash a team, was once again ruined by the referee. Had we been on Sky we'd have won that."

A: "We are on Sky Kieran."

K: "Thanks Angela."

*Cunningham walks of clapping the fans*

A: "Ok and now we move on the Warrington boss Tony Smith. Tony; You weren't beaten but you've still yet to win a game this season. How do you take that result?"

T: "Ahh well look yanno, we take games and results as they come and we... We try to learn from that. Maybe some of our executions were poor as well and at err... At times I think we were a little bit dumb with our decision making but yanno the boys... Look, the boys have been trying really hard this week and we've still got George King on the sidelines so I don't think we can be too hash on ourselves."

A: "And what about your finishing? The game finished 4-4 and the stats shown you had 80 sets in the St. Helens 10m line. How do you now go from kicking two penalties, into scoring tries?"

T: "Yeaaah I... I err.. Look. Matty Russell scored 5 tries in training on Wednesday so I'm not sure what happened there. Listen Look, I've got a great bunch of boys in there all hurting. All hurting about the start to the season but things take time yanno. I mean errr we did some good things, a lot of good things on and err off... [i*Sips water*[/i off the ball. Its hard... Yanno for me, as their adopted dad and carer to see these boys go through this but like any responsible parent I'll just have to tell them it's ok to make mistakes and hopefully they can, can... errr, they can learn from that.

"Thanks Tony"

Ha you prob won't be far off with that esp with Smiths post match bilge.

lol good read that Moving On.

Brilliant MO if uncannily and unfortunately accurate as far as TS is concerned Also that's my prediction sorted for the next game apart from I can't see us getting two penalties at Saints

4-4 id take that in a heartbeat

More chance of Sims breaking a tackle.

I still think we'll win at Saints.
That narrow win at Cats for Saints, doesn't show a significant rise in form to me for them to beat us...draw a line the week before when Widnes got a draw there. It's not a good marker.
The addition of Ratchford might tip the balance our way. However..our pack needs to ramp up some too, another reproduction of how Hock owned them and TS needs to pack his bindle.

To quote a friend of mine from Wigan "2 midgets battling it out to see who is tallest"

no but they have performed poorly and managed to get some points from games which we have not, going from this seasons performances not the names on the team sheet I feel a saints win is inevitable. As with hills return last week one player will not make a huge difference to our performnances and mean we go from a team struggling to get over the advantage line to a team able to win a game

It will be interesting to see where Ratchford plays. The Gidley - Brown combination is just not working.

We seem to have a team of square pegs.

TS loves Ratch at FB.
So I would guess that and Jack J on the wing?

Absolutely brilliant! One of the best posts I've ever read.

Toby set to replace Atkins. Or it could be Matty Blythe.. www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... st_Saints/ Atkins Out for 5 Weeks (hamstring).

Toby set to replace Atkins. Or it could be Matty Blythe.. www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... st_Saints/ Atkins Out for 5 Weeks (hamstring).

Quote ="Smith's Brolly"Toby set to replace Atkins. Or it could be Matty Blythe.. www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... st_Saints/ Atkins Out for 5 Weeks (hamstring).'" id give Ashton sims a run at centre!! why not have a prop at centre ??

Quote ="Smith's Brolly"Toby set to replace Atkins. Or it could be Matty Blythe.. www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/spo ... st_Saints/ Atkins Out for 5 Weeks (hamstring).'" id give Ashton sims a run at centre!! why not have a prop at centre ??

We could play Livett in his natural position at centre to replace Atkins or if Ratchford is back he could play there?

Bring Declan back in the halves.

Gidley in at centre? Think he's not had a go yet.

1. Gidley
2. Russell
3. Ratchford
4. Livett
5. Evans
6. Patton
7. Brown

Evans terrifies me at wing..

Presumably both Ratchford and King will both play, but only for part of the game. So we could see quite a bit of shuffling around in the 3/4 with Evans on the wing if Lineham gets a ban.

Ryan atkins out for 5 weeks , who takes his place with lineham also missing

I'm going to try and merge this topic with Saints v Wire as it's being discussed on there.

Welcome to the board Ste and apologies if I totally muck the technology up and we lose you

1 Gidley, 2 Russell 3 Ratch/Livett 4 King 5 Evans 6/7 Patton/ Ratch/Livett.

Rather see Ratch at FB while the outside backs are shot at. At least he can play as a free role down centre channels which is better than letting Gidley at this time.