The thing is Saints are under strength in the halves.. you have Wilkin in there and the very ordinary Travis Burns. We have our first choice in Myler and our new hope in Patten.Both were ordinary to poor today, with the odd good pass or kick thrown in.

We wont get better than that. When You have Walsh back you wont rely on Wilkin and Burns.... so thats why you will compete for the grand final places and we wont.

You shouldn't be losing that game today. We had five of our starting thirteen out injured again including our best half back and our entire back row as we had Wilkin at scrum half. Despite that our pack still got on top in the end. Ratchford looked so dangerous with the ball in hand and Myler looked capable of creating tries. You were toowilling to engage in the arm wrestle,even when you were losing it. You needed to be more expansive to get field position and be clinical when in good territory and you managed neither.

You'll have Wheeler due back shortly so what's the fuss

Completely agree with this post.

Is GOB injured?

No, he's being kept out by Patton, also known as the invisible man.

Sadly the efforts of the RFL to improve the quality of Superleague have not worked .We have 2 teams less in the division & are left with 12 mediocre teams. The RFL need to get back to the drawing board fast.

We badly missed Mickey Higham today to engineer moves & create space. From what i saw today Clark did no more than what John Clarke used to get slated for & how he ever got to be MOS is beyond me.

(Yet again...) Is it the RFLs fault that the clubs are signing mediocre players, their youth structures aren't producing exciting young players, and coaches are focussing on nullifying tactics rather than expansive rugby ?

I'm not sure any one player missing today would have made a difference by their inclusion, because our problem remains a group one - we have no composure.

When we engineer an attacking position (such as the Myler break at the start of the second half) we lack the composure to keep in control, remain patient and not try to engineer the impossible on every play. In defence, whenever the opposition get a sniff we lack the composure to trust our colleagues, keep our structure and shape and remain focussed.

We've beaten ourselves today. Indiscipline and individual errors have compounded the problems I've mentioned.

Well, you can SAY that. But from where I'm looking SL has never fielded as much quality at the junior level. By comparison the Australians are looking ... can we dare say it ... threadbare? We already easily match them in the pack. Indeed, I'd say we currently outmatch Australia in the pack.

Throw in some of the kids we've got coming through at Warrington, Saints, Wigan, Leeds etc. and we've never had a better chance of turning them over in years.

Saints gradually took over the game once we sorted the indiscipline out. Pleasing part for us was that we took over it whilst our on field props were Thompson, Richards and Savelio. We were in front by the time Walmsley, Amor and Masoe came back on.

Never really felt out of it and you can always count on Warrington to blow it. Your play is entirely opportunistic; if you don't make errors or give penalties away, Warrington quite literally have no chance of beating you.

Kudos to Tony Smith's brilliance. Targeting Makinson with the high ball, offloading in your own 20, anyone playing Ryan Atkins and Gene Ormsby on the same side - comedy genius.

You won't win a championship with Smith as coach full stop. His game is entirely non-suited to Play Off rugby. The sport has passed him by,

I said the same thing, it was pleasing the three young lads put in good solid displays while we was on the back foot.

Sav had his best game in a saints shirt.


Id be intrested to know what Wolves fans think of Saveilo ?

Haven't really seen anything flashy from him, but he seems to put himself into tackling a lot.

I said the same thing, it was pleasing the three young lads put in good solid displays while we was on the back foot.

Sav had his best game in a saints shirt.


Id be intrested to know what Wolves fans think of Saveilo ?

Warrington started to let saints back into the match when Sims, Hill and Harrison were off the pitch.
When those three are sat on the bench we are constantly in retreat.
We need to find a better way of coping with this or mixing the weaker defenders in a bit better.
We almost let Salford into it last week for the same reason.

I think the rule is that is the tackle is complete when the ball carrying arm touches the ground and you offload it is a penalty.

If a player offloads while upright after the ref calls held, you get the ball back.

Tough, but correct decision.

I also don't think Dwyer playing with one arm for two defensive sets on our own line helped, he was running around with his shoulder limp, before trying to go behind the defence and run alongside Ratchford at full back. Wilkin ran right at him and scored. Think we'll be without him for Catalans.

I think the problem is the gap between under 19s & SL is too great ,we need either to bring back say an under 23s or an A team format to help with the development of players so when young players are lined up against their more experienced opponents they have a better chance of competing. An extra age group would also produce more opportunity for youngsters to enter the game.

We got on top today when both teams had their big guns off having a breather. Savelio and Richards in particular getting some really good go forward and winning penalties with aggressive running.
People being a little harsh on Patton who I thought put in some good kicks - just needs to step up a bit and not drift out the game for periods.
You need to find a way of getting Ratchford on the ball in good situations more.
But the biggest difference was Roby v Clarke who was very quiet yet again

Can not argue with the Roby v Clark bit but what really annoyed me was the awarding of that try by video ref,everyone around me was gobsmacked and that was neutral fans.Now before anyone tells me im wrong i did not have a great view but even im not that blind.

The Wilkin one? What was the problem? Apart from the spineless git running at a player with one arm he did get the ball down in the end, though there is an argument over when it stopped but if Crabtree got his then I guess anything goes.

100% try - at first it looked 18" short but turns out that white line was a advert painted on the grass.

....and the arm? Perhaps the try line was painted over it!

Classic case of them having to go with the onfield referee. If he referred that as 'No try', they wouldn't have been able to prove he did ground it, but he referred it as a try. In that scenario they have to categorically prove he didn't get it down. On one angle it looked like the arm was under the ball, but on one angle, the side on view, it looked like the ball was so low it would have to be on the ground.

Too bad few at Warrington cannot see that!