Without seeing the team sheet. It would have been easy to forgive someone for thinking Myler wasn't even on the pitch.

Looking in the RL press today, what was clearly a huge part in our downfall was the number of missed tackles - 33 in total.

Of these, Myler missed 6 but actually made quite a few. Now, do we conclude:

a). Myler can't tackle
b). He was so shattered from all that tackling (or attempted tackling) he was too knackered to play
c). He was targeted

Whatever the answer, I personally don't expect my half backs to be doing that much defensive work during the match. Briers wasn't noted for his defence and seemed to keep out of the way during periods when we didn't have the ball but, as a result, he always had plenty of juice left for attack duties.

I like this idea, maybe Myler to 9 in the long run interchange with Dwyer? I reckon Myler would make a very good 9.

I dont see how Myler would make a forward?

Realistically the modern 9 is a bit like an extra 7 anyway. I think Myler would be good out of dummy half. Same sort of problems at half that Monaghan had but we all know how good a fit Monaghan was at 9.

Not me.
Agreed the modern hooker undertakes more creativity behind a pack that is on top.

But lets assume the pack isnt on top.
You would then expect the hooker to defend against big forwards and bring them down.
You would also expected him to have the upper body mass to be able to shrug off or stand up and release the ball against an opposing forward should he get gripped following a scoot from dummy half.

Because the modern day hooker no longer has to have the skill to hook in the scrum doesn't mean he is also excused the part he plays as a forward in centre field.

Myler at 9....I can never see it.

I don't see why Myler couldn't play at hooker. Rob Burrow covers the position at Leeds, and he's shorter and carries less upper body mass than Myler.

There's no reason my grandmother couldn't play it either.

Myler is no Burrow.
Burrow plays above his weight has speed from the mark With a low centre of gravity. Comparable to Luke Robinson. Myler is not in that elk.

Myler would be better bulking up some.

Right, so NOW you are saying it doesn't matter if "the hooker doesn't have upper body mass to be able to shrug off or stand up to release the ball should he get gripped following a scoot from dummy half", but as long as he has speed and a low centre of gravity like Burrow then he should be okay.

Jeez, make up your mind.

I didn't say either.
Can't you read.

All attributes together perhaps? ??

Myler would never make a forward. End of for me.

Myler could slot into nine quite easy as do most scrum halves, the positions are getting closer by the year. One organises from dummy half, the other from first reciever. One takes the line on form 1st reciever, one scoots form dummy half. There is no reason why one needs to be any bigger or tougher than the other.

Yes you did, hence why I quoted what you said. You rabbited it on about the hooker having to play like a forward, having upper body strength, and when I mentioned Burrow, who does play hooker but not as a forward, you then went off on a tangent and talked about speed and low centre of gravity.



No, but he could make a good hooker, which is what the point was. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it won't happen.

A hooker generally defends in the middle of the field and closer to he ruck against the opposing forwards so they do need to be defensively tougher than a half. Myler gets targeted now defending between Waterhouse and Atkins so I question the wisdom of being him further infield.

Some halves can make the change but doubt Myler is one of them.

I did say what I said. But I NEVER said "either"....quote me saying either and I'll show my at market gate.

I totally disagree with the views on Mylers defence he is similar, although not quite as good as Monas, with his one on one defense. he cuts them right in the traditional low down way, same as higham. Dont know why people seem to think Myler cant tackle. Just watch him on Friday and you will see a different player rather than just assuming he cant tackle. He has been a decent tackler for 12 months now.

Great, so we have a half-back who can tackle (though the stats from Thursday dispute this) but has no kicking or organisational game and won't take the line on, or is so sha**ed out from his defensive duties that he is unable to?

Brilliant.

Are we all not being a bit harsh?

As I've said previously, against Saints we looked ropey as a full team with only two or three players looking only half decent.

Wasn't Myler lauded as our best player last season until injury? Doesn't he regularly top the Warrington stats of try assists.....even when Briers was playing as well?

My thought it this, because Myler doesn't pull off the spectacular 'defence splitting' ball or hasn't got the pin-point accuracy kicking that Briers had we all thinks he's tosh and better shipped on to another team. I actually believe he is a good player and that his contributions go unnoticed because they aren't the 'spectacular chip to the corner' or the 'no look pass' we have all become accustomed to.

((Ducks and waits for the barrage of abuse from the Myler bashers))







Just checked, should have done it before commenting to start with, but Myler topped Warrington Try Assists in 2013 with 24 (closest was Briers and Ratch on 20), 2012 with 19 (closest was Briers on 18 and Bert on 14) and also 3rd best in 2011 when he was behind Briers and Bert. So clearly he is doing something right when it comes to attacking rugby.

I think Myler is up there with the best 7's in Super League, i also think Obrien will be as well, and there is our great problem where do we play them both. We have played Myler and Biers so can we play Myler and O'brien? Dont see why not but who plays 1?
What a great decision to have to make, not bad for a team that is S@@T according to most.

With the loss of Briers the team has lost its right arm & will have to learn to cope by finding either other playmakers or different ways to win , but i'm sure that in a few weeks the people on here having attacks of the vapours will look back at a storm in a teacup.

Myler is a fair defender for a halfback but he wouldn't be as a hooker. You can see him visibly tiring when the opposition puts a target set on.

He just isn't big or strong enough to be the smallest man in the forwards.

Correctamungo!

Myler is no better or worse a defender than Burrow or Robinson, but they make a good shout at hooker, so why not Myler.

but they dont

Hiya fellas

Just to throw my two-pennorth in, we had GOB for 4 games last year, and we drew against Catalans where he abslutely ran the show... He also played well in another game but I forget the opposition off the top of my head - either way, he came in to replace Chase during a ban, and did so admirably.

During pre-season I was a little annoyed we signed Seymour on trial and didn't at least test the water to see whether GOB was available from Warrington for a 1-yr loan (or better)

...admittedly the retirement of LB came at the wrong time for that, so wasn't expecting it to transpire, though I'm sure you can understand an "outsider's" confusion of putting an out and out hooker at 6 this weekend - now I'm no Wayne Bennett, but even I know that you just can't make that work, especially when replacing someone of Briers' calibre

ratch at fullback, russell on the wing(when hes fit) and GOB with myler in the halves higham and dwyer hookers. simples!