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| Quote ="Alfie Langer No2"Maybe
Here's my thinking... Royce hinted at the start of this year he's looking at moving Wellens to the back row, so Hohaia comes in there. You now need to lose a quota back row, Hohaia IMO will be on much more than Flannery. Yes they have Eastmonds wages, but this will tie their hands on any further 'big name' signings if it was Flannery out therefore I think Puletua will be the one to go. Well I'm hoping coz he's bloody good!
Chequebook Moran!'"
That's good thinking!
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I got a text from my mate, asking me whther I had heard anything, as he heard this last week. I hadn't heard nothing up untill he text me. He said one of his Saints friends had told him.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"I got a text from my mate, .'"
i dont believe that
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"i dont believe that'"
Don't believe it then?
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Don't believe it then?
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no i mean i dont believe you have mates
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| We have signed him as a halfback, whether at 7 or 6 I don't know. But he will be a starting halfback for us. He will provide valuable experience to our young players but he also has utility value and so might cover fullback if Wello is injured or hooker, since he has also played both positions. But I'm happy with the signing because we need cover at halfback and given the dearth of experienced halfbacks available anywhere just at the moment, I think signing him has been an astute move by Saints. As a Kiwi he should settle well into our little Kiwi community here in St Helens.
I sincerely hope we do NOT let Puletua go. Flannery could be the more likely.
Incidentally, Meli doesn't count on the quota at all as he has been with us long enough not to be subject to the new rules.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"no i mean i dont believe you have mates
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Like I said, don't believe it then?
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| Hohaia has played in the halves more than he has at fullback over his NRL career. I think he's OK but not a world beater. He always struck me as the type of player who would come over to SL and play for someone like Castleford or Harlequins, I wouldn't have had him down as a Saints type of signing. But times have changed, I would have said the same about Royce Simmons a few years ago as well. I don't think Saints are in danger of meltdown but they are not as high up the food chain as they were.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"He always struck me as the type of player who would come over to SL and play for someone like Castleford or Harlequins, '"
PS: At the moment, Castleford are top of the league.
Quote I wouldn't have had him down as a Saints type of signing. But times have changed, I would have said the same about Royce Simmons a few years ago as well. I don't think Saints are in danger of meltdown but they are not as high up the food chain as they were.'"
You reckon?
Saints have two needs going into next season: a halfback to replace Kyle and a utility player to cover for injuries to our backs. He will be a starting halfback and offer utility cover. He has experience of both. He will also be one of just two players in Superleague who has a world cup winner's medal. So he has ability and international experience. He has only just turned 28 so he's got a few good years left in him and he's a Kiwi, and we like signing Kiwis/South Pacific Islanders.
How then is he not a 'Saints type' of signing? Not Mal Maninga you mean? Or Jamie Lyon? (Who was written off in the NRL due to internal head issues, and many thought he was a naff call at the time ...)
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"jesus, is he still playing?
and has decided he wants a go back in the halves
he was poop at 6 for the warriors
he was poop at 7 for the warriors
he was poop at 9 for the warriors
he was about average for them at fullback when i was last watching the neral.
Plus he's one of the names that i always think about when gooners say
oh leuluai, poop players dont win WC's with NZ, they do.'"
but if he'd have signed for wire..i suppose he'd be a world beater then eh?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"
How then is he not a 'Saints type' of signing? Not Mal Maninga you mean? Or Jamie Lyon? (Who was written off in the NRL due to internal head issues, and many thought he was a naff call at the time ...)'"
ha Lyon was never written off, everybody knew Saints were getting quality with him
I was thinking guys in the calibre of Lyon, Britt, Albert etc but in fairness Saints have also signed lots of other guys like Meli, Flannery and so on who were more in the category of player that Hohaia is.
I think the difference is, in the key positions, Saints never had to sign anyone because they had the best British players already there: Wellens, Long, Pryce, Cunningham, Sculthorpe. Three of them have gone, one is not the force of old. So to keep parity Saints would be needing to sign from the top of the tree not the middle branches. The middling type 'good' players are OK when they are supporting top class. What Saints are going to become soon is what they were in the decade before SL started....a team of good players with no star quality. In fairness they grew most of that star quality out of their own ranks and picked up a couple of good signings in Scully and Long.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"ha Lyon was never written off, everybody knew Saints were getting quality with him
I was thinking guys in the calibre of Lyon, Britt, Albert etc but in fairness Saints have also signed lots of other guys like Meli, Flannery and so on who were more in the category of player that Hohaia is.
I think the difference is, in the key positions, Saints never had to sign anyone because they had the best British players already there: Wellens, Long, Pryce, Cunningham, Sculthorpe. Three of them have gone, one is not the force of old. So to keep parity Saints would be needing to sign from the top of the tree not the middle branches. The middling type 'good' players are OK when they are supporting top class. What Saints are going to become soon is what they were in the decade before SL started....a team of good players with no star quality. In fairness they grew most of that star quality out of their own ranks and picked up a couple of good signings in Scully and Long.'"
people have been saying this for over a decade, saints are on the decline.... just have a little peak at the league table for me to confirm how the we compare to your team of "stars"?
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"ha Lyon was never written off, everybody knew Saints were getting quality with him
I was thinking guys in the calibre of Lyon, Britt, Albert etc but in fairness Saints have also signed lots of other guys like Meli, Flannery and so on who were more in the category of player that Hohaia is.
I think the difference is, in the key positions, Saints never had to sign anyone because they had the best British players already there: Wellens, Long, Pryce, Cunningham, Sculthorpe. Three of them have gone, one is not the force of old. So to keep parity Saints would be needing to sign from the top of the tree not the middle branches. The middling type 'good' players are OK when they are supporting top class. What Saints are going to become soon is what they were in the decade before SL started....a team of good players with no star quality. In fairness they grew most of that star quality out of their own ranks and picked up a couple of good signings in Scully and Long.'"
And you think that fans should vote for their team in a poll on RLFans I didn't even bother readign this post and I know it will be utter rubbish.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"ha Lyon was never written off, everybody knew Saints were getting quality with him'"
I didn't refer to his ability, but to his mental state. In competitive sport, you can have all the ability in the world but if your head isn't in the right place, it is useless.
Quote I think the difference is, in the key positions, Saints never had to sign anyone because they had the best British players already there: Wellens, Long, Pryce, Cunningham, Sculthorpe. '"
That's right. So you are really making a mockery of your own statement! And we wouldn't have had to sign Hohaia either had Kyle Eastmond decided to stay with us. I think we have done just fine and I for one see him as a better signing than Meli, who while he is a real threat 10m from the line, is a liability in defence and lazy to boot.
Quote What Saints are going to become soon is what they were in the decade before SL started....a team of good players with no star quality. '"
Nah, we've let Warrington be that team.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon" just have a little peak at the league table for me to confirm how the we compare to your team of "stars"?'"
I think a little peak at your trophy cabinet over the last few years is a much better gauge of where your at these days, thats if you still have the need for one.
As for the signing of Hohaia, i'm chuffed to bits for you as he's improved into a very good full back these days.
Now that your replacement for Wellens is sorted, whose replacing Eastmond next season ? Will it be Pryce and Lomax or will you go for a quality half back ?
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"chomp chomp chomp'"
I see where you're coming from, but the sad thing is, I dont think this is the case.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I see where you're coming from, but the sad thing is, I dont think this is the case.'"
i imagine sally throwing a 3 pointer into the waste paper bin..... then treating himself to a cup of coffee after your bite on 'RLfans voting for their team'.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"i imagine sally throwing a 3 pointer into the waste paper bin..... then treating himself to a cup of coffee after your bite on 'RLfans voting for their team'.'"
But it wasn't a post looking for bite's, it was serious. It's obvious that it was serious due to how thought out it was and that's why it was worringly daft.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"It's obvious that it was serious due to how thought out it was'"
doh!
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"doh!'"
You can carry on acting like this but your inability to think out a reasonable and appropriate response shows you think exactly the same as me, you're just trying to save face for your fellow poster.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"You can carry on acting like this but your inability to think out a reasonable and appropriate response shows you think exactly the same as me, you're just trying to save face for your fellow poster.'"
So do you not think the thread was a sarcastic dig at Warrington's 'we know more than Tony Smith' fans?
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"So do you not think the thread was a sarcastic dig at Warrington's 'we know more than Tony Smith' fans?'"
It could very well of been to be fair. If it was sarcasm then I won't of picked up on it, I deal with numbers and struggle to grasp sarcasm to be quite honest. If it was sarcastic then I will hold my hand up as I haven't got a clue about sarcasm.
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| Quote ="RIGSBY"but if he'd have signed for wire..i suppose he'd be a world beater then eh?
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no i wouldv'e been pretty ed off to be honest, probably as ed off as i was when we signed mickey higham, cos i'm not a fan of him either.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"no i wouldv'e been pretty vexed off to be honest, probably as vexed off as i was when we signed mickey higham, cos i'm not a fan of him either.'"
but thats quite understandable, he's pap!
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"but thats quite understandable, he's pap!'"
He's certainly no Jon Clarke, that's for sure.
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