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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I can understand why the Nazis rose to power. When we went through the recent recession all of the tabloids and various politicians explained it as due to mass immigration and immigrants taking our jobs, homes and resources. Even some of the Labour politicians now say they "understand working class concerns over immigrants"
The Germans were being fed the same sort of propaganda back then that the depression was due to the jews draining their money and resources, so maybe the Nazis just "understood working class concerns over Jews"'"
You must be joking surely? Do you have quotes from senior politicians, to back up your statement, explaining the recession being due to mass imigration and it's effects? They will more likely blame the banks than raise the issue of the elephant in the room.
As for "drain on resources" I think it is well accepted by many that if HM Government, rightly or wrongly, grant asylum (immigration) to a HIV/AIDs suffering Eritrean female national that this will cause an additional drain on our NHS resources more than if asylum (immigration) was not granted in that specific case. That isn't propaganda, that is simple economics.
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Quote ="matty wire 75"Does anybody else think that the jewish state of israel is employing the same tactics the nazi's once used against the palestinians now? Im not talking death camps etc, more social segregation, creating ghettos, and creating laws to keep the palestinians under boot.'"
How the Zionists use the affairs in Europe during 1930-1947 and their continuing power in the US to further their long term ambitions in the Middle East could fill an entire forum.
Most, if not all, of the instability of the Middle East is caused by the mass implantation of Jews into Palestine. The Israelis have ignored scores of UN resolutions and continue to persecute/murder Palestinians to this day. I seem to recall Iraq ignored a few resolutions and the US went to war. Makes you think.
You can read about Israel ignoring the UN here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... ing_Israel
Whilst we are at it what happened to the scandal where MOSSAD used British passports to attempt to cover up their murder of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai in January?
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8582518.stm
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Quote ="matty wire 75"Does anybody else think that the jewish state of israel is employing the same tactics the nazi's once used against the palestinians now? Im not talking death camps etc, more social segregation, creating ghettos, and creating laws to keep the palestinians under boot.'"
How the Zionists use the affairs in Europe during 1930-1947 and their continuing power in the US to further their long term ambitions in the Middle East could fill an entire forum.
Most, if not all, of the instability of the Middle East is caused by the mass implantation of Jews into Palestine. The Israelis have ignored scores of UN resolutions and continue to persecute/murder Palestinians to this day. I seem to recall Iraq ignored a few resolutions and the US went to war. Makes you think.
You can read about Israel ignoring the UN here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... ing_Israel
Whilst we are at it what happened to the scandal where MOSSAD used British passports to attempt to cover up their murder of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai in January?
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8582518.stm
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| I notice because of how powerful jews are in british and especially american society that most of Israels human right's abuses get swept away.
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| One of the most outrageous conspiracy theories i ever heard was that the water company's are putting drugs in the tap supply to keep the nation subdued after the the riots of the 80's. must admit im quite gullible and even i struggled with that one.
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| Quote ="matty wire 75"I notice because of how powerful jews are in british and especially american society that most of Israels human right's abuses get swept away.'"
Cheers Adolf.
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| Quote ="Wires71"
As for "drain on resources" I think it is well accepted by many that if HM Government, rightly or wrongly, grant asylum (immigration) to a HIV/AIDs suffering Eritrean female national that this will cause an additional drain on our NHS resources more than if asylum (immigration) was not granted in that specific case. That isn't propaganda, that is simple economics.'"
If HM Government grant a visa to a highly qualified brain surgeon, that will not cause an additional drain on our NHS resources. If she were married to a highly qualified engineer, the combined contribution of the couple would more than pay for your Eritrean who would only be granted asylum if she were facing persecution in her homeland.
And it's its.
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| your velkom mein got. Seriously though, i aint talking about the everyday jewish man/woman in the street. Im talking about the jewish radicals in Israel that want to push out the palestinians by whatever means by illegal land grab, creating hellhole ghetto's etc. And the actions of radical zionists in usa/here that lets them continue with this on a daily basis. Imagine your son/daughter gets annoyed at the situation and hurls a few stones at a tank. Then when your son/daughter get's shot dead by the IDF your told that because your loved one was involved in "terrorist activities" they are going to bulldoze your property within the hour and leave you with no home and a dead loved one. I aint no anti semite but that my friend is human rights abuse.
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| Quite. Nothing to do with powerful Jews in the UK or USA though. That was the dodgy bit in your analysis.
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| no but they do encourage the situation with there silence. In fact the only one to speak out against Israel has been gerald kaufman, and he was derided by fellow jews for doing so.
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| So the moon landing.........
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| Quote ="matty wire 75"I notice because of how powerful jews are in british and especially american society that most of Israels human right's abuses get swept away.'"
I actually agree i worded this wrong.
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| Quote ="Dyson"So the moon landing.........'"
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| Cheers for that
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| what is area 51? is it where the moon landings were faked? alien contacts taken to? something worse?
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| Quote ="matty wire 75"what is area 51? is it where the moon landings were faked? alien contacts taken to? something worse?'"
51 in Roman numerals is LI (or lie).
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| interesting. so are you saying the place doesnt exist or that it's where USA takes anything it doesnt want the world to know?
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| Area 51 does not exists. Will you listen to what they say!
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| pardon!
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| Isn't that what the powers that be in America tried saying for many many years "area 51 does not exist"
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| The conspiracy theory that worries me the most is the one which is almost self evident, 'Bad Education'.
It's easier to corrupt the weak and badly educated, it's easier to push policies through to people who don't understand or care.
It worries me.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Quite. Nothing to do with powerful Jews in the UK or USA though. That was the dodgy bit in your analysis.'"
If not powerful Jews it will be to do with the volume of Jewish voters in the USA, which ties US foreign policy closely to Israel.
Put it this way, if Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, started carrying out the human rights abuses which Israel routinely does, then the US or UK would have been in to effect "regime change". They even did it with Milosevic. They wouldn't do it in Israel though because the high proportion of the Jewish population would cry anti semitism and it would be electoral suicide.
I'm sure Wires71 will have noticed however, that soon the Islamic countries will get carte blanche to do what they want, for the same reason, because in a few years 95% of the UK electorate will be Muslim!
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| As for the 9/11 theories, my response is always pretty clear, I simply don't see how it's possible that Bush and Co had a hand in the attacks, there is simply no way that after 9 years we would not have heard from a 'leak', to pull off such an attack and to keep the public relatively oblivious would need the co-operation of thousands of people, members of Congress, White House Staff, the Military and even the Media. And that I believe is just unattainable without encountering a person who would wimp out or tell all to the press.
However I do believe the fact that there were warnings and that is the limit of the Bush Administration's knowledge on the matter.
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.
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| Quote ="matty wire 75"your velkom mein got. Seriously though, i aint talking about the everyday jewish man/woman in the street. Im talking about the jewish radicals in Israel that want to push out the palestinians by whatever means by illegal land grab, creating hellhole ghetto's etc. And the actions of radical zionists in usa/here that lets them continue with this on a daily basis. Imagine your son/daughter gets annoyed at the situation and hurls a few stones at a tank. Then when your son/daughter get's shot dead by the IDF your told that because your loved one was involved in "terrorist activities" they are going to bulldoze your property within the hour and leave you with no home and a dead loved one. I aint no anti semite but that my friend is human rights abuse.'"
It's very similar to the activists that died on the blockade running ships. They attacked the Israeli commandos that were trying to search their ships.
If you play with fire, you get burned.
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| Quote ="Champions Again"As for the 9/11 theories, my response is always pretty clear, I simply don't see how it's possible that Bush and Co had a hand in the attacks, there is simply no way that after 9 years we would not have heard from a 'leak', to pull off such an attack and to keep the public relatively oblivious would need the co-operation of thousands of people, members of Congress, White House Staff, the Military and even the Media. And that I believe is just unattainable without encountering a person who would wimp out or tell all to the press.
However I do believe the fact that there were warnings and that is the limit of the Bush Administration's knowledge on the matter.
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.'"
I'm with you on this. Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.
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Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"What about Italy which already had a Fascist government?'"
Italy had indeed already gone fascist, but even then the fascists had never been a really mass movement. France was seething with all sorts of far-right types, actively encouraged by some of the WW1 generals (such as Franchet) and tacitly encouraged by others (such as Petain).
The far-right nearly launched a coup on 6th February 1934.
If you look here, there's a lot of info on it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis
I agree with you saying it's a really interesting period- all sorts of weird people appeared across Europe on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"What about Italy which already had a Fascist government?'"
Italy had indeed already gone fascist, but even then the fascists had never been a really mass movement. France was seething with all sorts of far-right types, actively encouraged by some of the WW1 generals (such as Franchet) and tacitly encouraged by others (such as Petain).
The far-right nearly launched a coup on 6th February 1934.
If you look here, there's a lot of info on it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis
I agree with you saying it's a really interesting period- all sorts of weird people appeared across Europe on both sides of the political spectrum.
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