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| Quote ="Pieman"80s and 90s?
Edwards, Gregory, Hampson, Dermott, Betts, Clarke, Robinson, Farrell, Haughton, Lydon, Radlinski. All these before 94 and im sure there are more. All Wigan lads.
The problem with the academy is you can only keep so many. We had to let Long go because we had Edwards and so on. Who are all these academy guys who are good enough to get into the team who we have replaced with Aussies? How many Home grown players do you have in your 1-17 first squad? 3....is the answer. Compare that to us....6 over a third. Please dont come out with inaccurate facts eh.
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Riley, Harrison, Cooper, Wood.
Please don't come out with inaccurate facts eh.
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| Is Cooper in the 17? You do know 18 is after 17.......unlucky fella
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| Quote ="Dei Morti Viventi"When you deserve respect you get respect.'"
Indeed.
Hence the reason why I don't respect Wigan.
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| Quote ="Pieman"Is Cooper in the 17? You do know 18 is after 17.......unlucky fella'"
Cooper played last night.....in the 17. Unlucky fella.
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| not 1-17 though...read the post. Who in the first 1-17 squad is home grown as Cooper is not so he doesnt count....see how that works now petal?
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| Quote ="inside_man"But currently you've built a side around 30+ yr old players in a bid for instant success, and for some reason I can't respect that as much.'"
If we do that, at least we can do it within the salary cap.
I don't respect Wigan because they are cheating twunts.
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| I'll never respect Wigan.
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| Quote ="Pieman"80s and 90s?
Edwards, Gregory, Hampson, Dermott, Betts, Clarke, Robinson, Farrell, Haughton, Lydon, Radlinski. All these before 94 and im sure there are more. All Wigan lads.
The problem with the academy is you can only keep so many. We had to let Long go because we had Edwards and so on. Who are all these academy guys who are good enough to get into the team who we have replaced with Aussies? How many Home grown players do you have in your 1-17 first squad? 3....is the answer. Compare that to us....6 over a third. Please dont come out with inaccurate facts eh.
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Well Robinson wasn't a Wigan lad but was signed and brought through the Wigan academy, there are a few in there as well who are Wiganers who we did sign from other clubs but there are players in there who we did produce ourselves and people forget this. There is also Mick Cassidy as well missing off the list who was a very good servant for the club and he came through the academy. Yes we did sign players, but which club didn't? I suppose Saints didn't pay much for Newlove, Sculthorpe etc.. What about the Leeds team of 94/95? This was their starting line up in the cup final, how many of these players came through the Leeds ranks?
Alan Tait
Jim Fallon
Kevin Iro
Craig Innes
Francis Cummins
Garry Schofield
Graham Holroyd (3 goals)
Harvey Howard
James Lowes (1 try)
Esene Faimalo
Gary Mercer
Richard Eyres
Ellery Hanley (c)
Neil Harmon
George Mann
now compare that to Wigans
Henry Paul (1 try)
Jason Robinson (2 tries)
Va'aiga Tuigamala (1 try)
Gary Connolly
Martin Offiah
Frano Botica (5 goals)
Shaun Edwards (c)
Kelvin Skerrett
Martin Hall (1 try)
Neil Cowie
Denis Betts
Mick Cassidy
Phil Clarke
Andy Farrell
Paul Atcheson
Theres 5 in the Wigan team then that came through the Wigan academy and apart from Francis Cummins in the Leeds team, there isn't any others who Leeds produced, Lowes was signed from Hunslet.
So does that not say more about Leeds than it does about Wigan?
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| I have respect for what Wire have done over the last two years and the way they play the game.
I also have respect for Wigan for being the biggest club in the game and their history as well.........
but i still hate both teams.
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"If we do that, at least we can do it within the salary cap.
I don't respect Wigan because they are cheating twunts.'"
ah they changed the rule as we didnt cheat we found a way to get under the cap but he RFL didnt like it.
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| I respect Saints, can't respect Wigan though because of the fact that the majority of there fans are a*seholes.
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| Quote ="Pieman"80s and 90s?
Edwards, Gregory, Hampson, Dermott, Betts, Clarke, Robinson, Farrell, Haughton, Lydon, Radlinski. All these before 94 and im sure there are more. All Wigan lads.
The problem with the academy is you can only keep so many. We had to let Long go because we had Edwards and so on. Who are all these academy guys who are good enough to get into the team who we have replaced with Aussies? How many Home grown players do you have in your 1-17 first squad? 3....is the answer. Compare that to us....6 over a third. Please dont come out with inaccurate facts eh.
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how in christs name do you claim Andy Gregory and and joe lydon....true they are of wigan Birth But Gregory made his name at widnes in fact he lived there even when a Leeds player he then won trophies at Warrington before being signed for a massive fee by you lot.....
Joe Lydon again making a name for himself scoring length of the field tries for Widnes at Wembley before being signed for big money by Wigan....
who are you claiming Next Paul Fecking Deacon............ you've just embarrassed your self with your non-knowledge
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| Quote ="Pieman"not 1-17 though...read the post. Who in the first 1-17 squad is home grown as Cooper is not so he doesnt count....see how that works now petal?'"
1-17 can change on a weekly basis you clown it is a squad game now not just 1-17
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| Quote ="Dyson". You only call those you fear!'"
so there wont be many saints fans calling you then?
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"Indeed.
Hence the reason why I don't respect Wigan.'"
Over a 100 trophies proves you wrong. Feel free to toodle off.
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| Quote ="74'"They're an embarrasment.'" Thats what you get with people whos heads button up at the back..
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"By the Sweet lord above
how in christs name do you claim Andy Gregory and and joe lydon....true they are of wigan Birth But Gregory made his name at widnes in fact he lived there even when a Leeds player he then won trophies at Warrington before being signed for a massive fee by you lot.....
Joe Lydon again making a name for himself scoring length of the field tries for Widnes at Wembley before being signed for big money by Wigan....
who are you claiming Next Paul Fecking Deacon............ you've just embarrassed your self with your non-knowledge'"
still wigan lads If I had no knowledge of their birth I wouldnt have put them......
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| Quote ="wire-till-i-die"1-17 can change on a weekly basis you clown it is a squad game now not just 1-17'"
Agreed, mainly due to injuries and suspension. Strongest team 1-17
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"If your talking about the spine of a team being made up from academy players then thats a bit rich coming from a club that virtually bought their success during the 80's and early 90's, in the main you went with proven ability over academy players, look at the long list of players that Wigan have shipped out over the years that came through the academy and instead you replaced them with foriegners or the best british players you could buy.
Back in the 80's and 90's you had an open cheque book, if you wanted a player you got them ahead of academy players. You produced a few players from the academy during your success but that was just law of averages more than anything else compared to the amount you shipped out. Its only in recent times that you have gone with more academy players and thats not by choice, thats because of the salary cap.'"
Another urban myth. The spine of the Wigan side was built on our own academy players - Hampson, Edwards, Betts, Dermott, Clarke, Cassidy, Lucas, Radlinski, Houghton and players picked up for peanuts - Hall, Cowie, OConnor, Byrne, together with kids picked up and developed - Henry Paul, the Iros.
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| Quote ="Pieman"Agreed, mainly due to injuries and suspension. Strongest team 1-17
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Yep.
Your first choice 1-13 at the start of the season was something like....
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Phelps
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Tomkins
Leuluai
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Bailey (or Hansen if you want)
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Full of home grown talent.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Yep.
Your first choice 1-13 at the start of the season was something like....
Roberts
Phelps
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Tomkins
Leuluai
Fielden
Riddell
Coley
Tomkins
Bailey (or Hansen if you want)
O'Loughlin
Full of home grown talent.'"
Roberts and Phelps are now playing for the home grown U20s team.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Roberts and Phelps are now playing for the home grown U20s team.'"
we finished top due to strength in depth, playing as squad. look at the players we've used that have performed to the required grade. Sam and joel, marsh, tuson, davies, farrell, Mcilorum, mossop, goulding, lockers, prescott, o carroll. many arent the starting 13, but through rotation make the 17 on a regular basis. when you can compare that come back and have a go until then go away and support a team thats built on purchases from other teams.
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| Quote ="inside_man"I think its because i can respect Leeds and saints as they've built a team from their academies, the spine of those two (+ us) are players that we've produced.
That's not having a massive go, as it's obvious that in a few years your academy will have caught up. But currently you've built a side around 30+ yr old players in a bid for instant success, and for some reason I can't respect that as much.
That added to the fact that SOME (not many) on hear seem to now think wire are the biggest club in the league etc etc. The way some of your posters on here are shocking winners (as are some of ours, and it makes me cringe!)'"
you must not know much about wigans history you fool, wigan built a team in the 80's & 90's by buying success, uncle mo bought every good player from other teams sometimes only to play them in the a team! you should hang your head in shame you pie fool! if you don't like us fair enough but don't manipulate history to suit your arguement.our youth policy is working just well thank you, don't think wigan would turn down the services of ben harrison if the opertunity arose?
i don't dispute wigan have had an awesome season this year, in repost i must point out this season is not over by a long shot, so far my team not doing to badly themselves, defending the challenge cup at wembley springs to mind!
i don't care or want your repect, however please don't come on here spouting your pie eyed drivel till you've got the ability to either stop lying or talk sense.
rant over.
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