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| Quote ="Teddington Wire"benedictblog.dailymail.co.uk/
interesting article saying how union can learn from league.
Union has long since borrowed, adapted and ised defensive strategies from league – in fact most top-flight union clubs have former league players or coaches in charge of this particular discipline – but settling down to watch Saturday’s Challenge Cup semi-final between Leeds and Saint Helens (I went to confession the following morning to cleanse my union soul), it was the attacking play that was scintillating.
hits the nail on the head for me. ball in hand for longer, so you have more opportunity to attack. offload point is very relevant too'"
I still hate the b@st@rds though.
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| Ask the likes of Jonathon Davies and Scott Gibbs what the tougher game is.
They will both say RL.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"Ask the likes of Jonathon Davies and Scott Gibbs what the tougher game is.
They will both say RL.'"
No they wouldn't, they didn't say that in their books.
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| I am League through and through but I maintain that if you watch NZ v South Africa this weekend you will struggle to think of any League side, & I include Queensland & Australia in that as the two best League sides at the minute, who would cope with the All Blacks at the flowing and destructive best. At club level League probably would have the edge, right up to S14 when it would probably even out, but at international level League can't hold a candle to Union.
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| Magic Piano - not sure I quite agree.
The Green and Golds at their best are pretty formidable unit. I know international League is a bit of a joke, and they play far less often, but not sure they would struggle to cope (relatively speaking).
I always considered the State of Origin winners to be the best rugby team (both codes) around.
In terms of League players transferring to Union and vise versa. I always believe that more League players should be able to move to Union, but are limited in the amount of positions they can play. In theory, all League positions should be accessible to Union players, but most just aren't skilled or have the required physique.
Doing a Sale/Wire comparission at the moment I struggle to think of any players that could play League. Certain body parts of Charlie Hogdson and maybe Cueto. On the other hand I'd be happy to take a handfull of Warrington players.
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| Quote ="magic piano"I am League through and through but I maintain that if you watch NZ v South Africa this weekend you will struggle to think of any League side, & I include Queensland & Australia in that as the two best League sides at the minute, who would cope with the All Blacks at the flowing and destructive best. At club level League probably would have the edge, right up to S14 when it would probably even out, but at international level League can't hold a candle to Union.'"
Clueless.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"No they wouldn't, they didn't say that in their books.'"
They might not have said that in their books but believe me they have actually said they reckon RL is tougher than union which anybody with a bit of sense can see that.
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| Quote ="magic piano"I am League through and through but I maintain that if you watch NZ v South Africa this weekend you will struggle to think of any League side, & I include Queensland & Australia in that as the two best League sides at the minute, who would cope with the All Blacks at the flowing and destructive best. At club level League probably would have the edge, right up to S14 when it would probably even out, but at international level League can't hold a candle to Union.'"
Interesting comments.
I do feel compelled to disagree with the All Blacks, Queensland/Australia comparison, for two reasons. Firstly, I have never seen a side do as much running off the ball as Australia. Secondly, the ability to keep the ball alive in the tackle whilst attracting defenders, is an alien concept to virtually all RU teams/players.
The simple fact of the matter is; when it come to attack, Australia are without peers when it comes to maintaining the attack, but where they truly seperate themselves from the rest in any code, is their execution.
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| Can't disagree with someone with Papa Lazarou as his picture!
However, think to say 'most' is a little harsh. Last season in Union was an all time low, but most of the time some team can keep the ball alive, whilst attracting defenders. Certainly not England and Sale though!
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| Fedora v Pork Pie discuss ?
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Nadal.'"
Saw that coming a mile off
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"icon_lol.gif Clueless.'"
Rather the opposite. Though your name indicates you are of the narrow-minded stature to have no chance of looking at facts before making an informed & well judged opinion based on evidence.
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| Quote ="magic piano"Rather the opposite. Though your name indicates you are of the narrow-minded stature to have no chance of looking at facts before making an informed & well judged opinion based on evidence.'"
No mate you are clueless,if you are a fan of both games and you cannot see that the SOO(Queensland especially) and the Roos could not outplay the all blacks especially at what union call running rugby then I stand by what I say.
You say I am narrow minded but I have seen both games and I can quite easily say that RL easily wins in every aspect so to answer your question I have looked at facts and made an informed and well judged opinion.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"No mate you are clueless,if you are a fan of both games and you cannot see that the SOO(Queensland especially) and the Roos could not outplay the all blacks especially at what union call running rugby then I stand by what I say.
You say I am narrow minded but I have seen both games and I can quite easily say that RL easily wins in every aspect so to answer your question I have looked at facts and made an informed and well judged opinion.'"
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| Quote ="magic piano"icon_lol.gif'"
That is exactly what I thought when I saw your quote about the unionists.
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| Went to the Saints Sale 'game'. First half was under Yawnion rules. At the first Line out the wags on the Popular side struck up with a chant of, "We don't know what we're doing!!" Classic.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"icon_lol.gif That is exactly what I thought when I saw your quote about the unionists.
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Ah - insults. The last refuge of the one who has run out of arguments to back up their opinion. Out of interest when did you last go to or watch a top class international Union side or the Super 14/15? And by top class I'm not necessarily meaning the 6 Nations who are pretty lacking behind the TriNations side.
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| The whole concept is honestly flawed. The rugby league boys are (maybe!) better at popping people into gaps, running and tackling but any half decent rugby union side could injure players so easily in the scrum and maul their way (boringly) for 100 yards. It all depends on what rules exactly we are playing.
The RFU boys are much better in space than they used to be. Their game has changed so much since the Bath v Wigan games.
The best fun iI have had ever had was watching Wigan at the Middlesex Sevens (year back) ... what a great clash of cultures. But what a side Wigan had.
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| years back ... I meant
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| That Middlesex 7's probably highlighted to the Union chaps the benefits of full time professionalism and the ball handling game used by Wigan to win that tournament. 7's is great fun to watch but as far removed from Union as T20 is from Test Cricket.
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