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| I actually heard the interview on the radio and fair do's to Cullen he was basically saying if you aint gonna support your team, sod off to the one down the road. Not necessarily a slur on Warrington or its fans.
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| Quote ="Wilderspool memories"Is Paul cullen now biting the hand that fed him for so many years,his "beloved" Warrington? Is he claiming that all us wire fans of whom he once said he was proud are merely "boo boys" who boo regardless? If so he is insulting the club and the fans! Yes Paul,the fans did boo when you were in charge at Warrington. The reason was because everyone could see that a team full if highly talented players was not performing to it's best. The same mistakes were being made week in week out,no solutions to the problems were being found and matches in which we had healthy leads were being lost because the team could not defend and play for 80 minutes. There is a word for that Paul................coaching!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the coffee Paul Cullen,within 18 months of you leaving Warrington that same bunch of players who could not beat an egg with you in charge had won the challenge cup,the booing had stopped,games that should be won were being won and not thrown away. Now the fans at widnes are "boo boys." Who is the Widnes coach again? I wonder where the problem really lies eh PC?'"
Not Content to make yourself look like a complete tool on everybody else's forums, you come on your own and write this utter garbage. If you think for one minute that Paul Cullen wouldn't bleed primrose and blue if he was cut open, then your even more of an idiot than you come across.
You call yourself Wilderspool memories christ well it must be a short one
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| Quote ="Geordie"Oh how short some of your'e memories are!!
In 2002 Paul Cullen was a god with Warrington Fans, he had done the unthinkable and kept us up after the dark days of Anderson and Plange.
He then went on to take us to the playoffs for the first time on a squad whos combined wages where the 3rd lowest in the league.
He helped lead us to the HJ and assembled a quality side that played some of the best attacking rugby I had ever seen, unfortunatley they couldn't defend as well.
Ok things turned sour, what if Paul Cullen had wanted to implement some of the things that TS has since he came in but the board didnt allow him or wouldnt back him. Paul Cullen wanted shot of M Gleeson but the clubs directors wouldnt let him, smith comes in and it happens within weeks. None of us will ever know if Cullen could have acheived what TS has with the same support and backing.
I read the comments as if you want to boo go to Warrington where their is little to boo at. Remeber the game against Leeds where all the young lads had to play, Warrington Fans certainly didnt boo their efforts at any point.
Cullen didnt take us to the next level,TS has but as Warrington fans we still have an awful lot to thank Paul Cullen for.'"
Top post Geordie Lad, well said mate
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| Quote ="Geordie"Oh how short some of your'e memories are!!
In 2002 Paul Cullen was a god with Warrington Fans, he had done the unthinkable and kept us up after the dark days of Anderson and Plange.
He then went on to take us to the playoffs for the first time on a squad whos combined wages where the 3rd lowest in the league.
He helped lead us to the HJ and assembled a quality side that played some of the best attacking rugby I had ever seen, unfortunatley they couldn't defend as well.
Ok things turned sour, what if Paul Cullen had wanted to implement some of the things that TS has since he came in but the board didnt allow him or wouldnt back him. Paul Cullen wanted shot of M Gleeson but the clubs directors wouldnt let him, smith comes in and it happens within weeks. None of us will ever know if Cullen could have acheived what TS has with the same support and backing.
I read the comments as if you want to boo go to Warrington where their is little to boo at. Remeber the game against Leeds where all the young lads had to play, Warrington Fans certainly didnt boo their efforts at any point.
Cullen didnt take us to the next level,TS has but as Warrington fans we still have an awful lot to thank Paul Cullen for.'"
Nice case geordie.
that is the first time i heard that cullen wanted martin gleeson gone.
I do believe that the board had given cullen all the backing he needed and wanted...
Did cullen want to rid of the booze mentality that the club had previous to TS???? my reaction would be no as i don't think that crucially. He did not have the Strength too follow through with threats and lost the locker room...
I do personally think that PC had taken the club as far as he could take us. Regardless of where we came in the 07 season...
We have alot to be greatful for paul cullen, leading us too the play offs in 04, and again in 07. But did he have the strength to take us as further, as TS has done within his first year at the club... I don't think he has...
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| Quote ="Jack Pepsi"Not Content to make yourself look like a complete tool on everybody else's forums, you come on your own and write this utter garbage. If you think for one minute that Paul Cullen wouldn't bleed primrose and blue if he was cut open, then your even more of an idiot than you come across.
You call yourself Wilderspool memories christ well it must be a short one'"
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| And like it or not it was Cullen's team that won the challenge cup not Tony Smith's.
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| Cullens Buys, TS's Exicusion... Which is the point people are making...
Paul Cullen didn't have the exicusion too push forward too progress
and didn't have the balls too discipline when needed with his players...
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| I'll pull it in another way...
did the players want too work for cullen...
the players walked back when going from defence too attack at quiet alot of games under cullen. Sometimes taking 3 or 4 tackles too have a attacking line..
Fast forward too tony Smith... We have energy and all players are in a attacking line from tackle 1.
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| He is not having a go at Warrington. He is having a go at the fans that boo, if you want to watch a winning team watch Warrington.
I completely agree with Geordie. Cullen is a good coach and took us from a relegation threatened team to playoffs in a short time.
Unfortunately he is not a great coach and could not take us to the next level which Smith has done.
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| Why would he be bitter?
Booing him is one thing, standing outside main reception and throwing very personal insults at him in front of his kids is another.
I wouldn't have blamed him for going outside and pasting the lot of you, but then again you'd have probably ran off by the time the door opened.
Him being bitter is very understandable because he is a genuine and honest bloke.
As for the board not backing him, well they never backed Jimmy either but because they head hunted Smith then they will of course give him anything he wants.
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| I read it as; Warrington boo there team when things don't go their way so if that's your attitude, you will be at home there with them.
He's on borrowed time there now i tell thee.
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| Quote ="Foz"And like it or not it was Cullen's team that won the challenge cup not Tony Smith's.'"
I always thought Tony Smith was overrated. Wins the Grand Final with Daryl Powell's team at Leeds and then comes in to Warrington and steals Cullen's to win the Challenge Cup.
Mind you I suppose Cullen got the credit for Plange's team keeping us up in 2002......Nat Wood, Westwood, Appo who brought these guys in? We should never forget Plange for saving us when all seemed lost.
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| Quote ="el red"
As for the board not backing him, well they never backed Jimmy either but because they head hunted Smith then they will of course give him anything he wants.'"
They never backed Lowes because we were bottom of the league. If we start next season like we started 2009 and are rooted to the bottom by Easter, don't be surprised if Tony Smith leaves the club by 'mutual consent'.
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| what i took from this is that when he was there wire fans booed him as he couldn't get the best out of our players TS took the same team and they won the challenge cup that sayin somethin about who the better coach. that is a stupid comment to make as TS has took wire too a level that he could never could
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| As everyone thinks TS is the best thing since the invention of the game i'll throw this one in...
The best coach in the world right now is still probably Craig Bellamy, the most successful is Wayne Bennett.
Craig Bellamy cannot buy a win for NSW so does this immediately make him a bad coach, the answer is no so what is really important a good set of players or a good coach.
Everyone is basing their assessments on simple games won and lost. Last years challenge cup success was partly down to good planning and partly down to luck, look at Catalans run this year.
I'm not saying TS is not a good coach, he obviously is.
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| i think that our cc success is mostly down to TS as he gave us a positive atmosphere and got the players playing as a team not as individuals and the future of wire will be down to TS not PC
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| Quote ="Geordie"Oh how short some of your'e memories are!!
In 2002 Paul Cullen was a god with Warrington Fans, he had done the unthinkable and kept us up after the dark days of Anderson and Plange.
He then went on to take us to the playoffs for the first time on a squad whos combined wages where the 3rd lowest in the league.
He helped lead us to the HJ and assembled a quality side that played some of the best attacking rugby I had ever seen, unfortunatley they couldn't defend as well.
Ok things turned sour, what if Paul Cullen had wanted to implement some of the things that TS has since he came in but the board didnt allow him or wouldnt back him. Paul Cullen wanted shot of M Gleeson but the clubs directors wouldnt let him, smith comes in and it happens within weeks. None of us will ever know if Cullen could have acheived what TS has with the same support and backing.
I read the comments as if you want to boo go to Warrington where their is little to boo at. Remeber the game against Leeds where all the young lads had to play, Warrington Fans certainly didnt boo their efforts at any point.
Cullen didnt take us to the next level,TS has but as Warrington fans we still have an awful lot to thank Paul Cullen for.'"
oh how short they are geordie,
i seem to remember you beating your drum at that cas game to the tune of "we want cullen out"
cull is a wire, always has been always will be.
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| Quote ="Wilderspool memories"Well we are all entitled to our opinion,but the way his comments read to me is that PC is saying if you want to boo watch warrington. But we don't boo since he left. Now the fans of his new club boo. The link between the two? The one.............the only...................Paul Cullen!'"
I take it you didn't make the trip to London for the Harlequins game last year??
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| Quote ="Geordie"Oh how short some of your'e memories are!!
In 2002 Paul Cullen was a god with Warrington Fans, he had done the unthinkable and kept us up after the dark days of Anderson and Plange.
He then went on to take us to the playoffs for the first time on a squad whos combined wages where the 3rd lowest in the league.
He helped lead us to the HJ and assembled a quality side that played some of the best attacking rugby I had ever seen, unfortunatley they couldn't defend as well.
Ok things turned sour, what if Paul Cullen had wanted to implement some of the things that TS has since he came in but the board didnt allow him or wouldnt back him. Paul Cullen wanted shot of M Gleeson but the clubs directors wouldnt let him, smith comes in and it happens within weeks. None of us will ever know if Cullen could have acheived what TS has with the same support and backing.
I read the comments as if you want to boo go to Warrington where their is little to boo at. Remeber the game against Leeds where all the young lads had to play, Warrington Fans certainly didnt boo their efforts at any point.
Cullen didnt take us to the next level,TS has but as Warrington fans we still have an awful lot to thank Paul Cullen for.'"
These are laudable sentiments Geordie and I agree with some of them but TS has done far more than just get rid of Gleeson. I do not believe for one minute that PC would have achieved what TS has in the same time period because he is not as capable as a coach. Also you talk of attacking rugby - I would argue we play even more attacking rugby now under TS.
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| Quote ="el red"As everyone thinks TS is the best thing since the invention of the game i'll throw this one in...
The best coach in the world right now is still probably Craig Bellamy, the most successful is Wayne Bennett.
Craig Bellamy cannot buy a win for NSW so does this immediately make him a bad coach, the answer is no so what is really important a good set of players or a good coach.
Everyone is basing their assessments on simple games won and lost. Last years challenge cup success was partly down to good planning and partly down to luck, look at Catalans run this year.
I'm not saying TS is not a good coach, he obviously is.'"
Both. We had one (team) without the other (coach) for years until Tony Smith turned up.
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| Quote ="Harvey 69"oh how short they are geordie,
i seem to remember you beating your drum at that cas game to the tune of "we want cullen out"
cull is a wire, always has been always will be.'"
I think you will find that I certainly did not, I walked away from all of that not beleiving what was going on and was not involved at all.
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| pc = wire born and bred
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| Quote ="Jack Pepsi"Not Content to make yourself look like a complete tool on everybody else's forums, you come on your own and write this utter garbage. If you think for one minute that Paul Cullen wouldn't bleed primrose and blue if he was cut open, then your even more of an idiot than you come across.
You call yourself Wilderspool memories christ well it must be a short one'"
Listen he says to widnes fans if you want to boo go and watch warrington. As steve51 says it's a direct pop at us. He may well bleed primrose and blue,we all do. But he was an average player and he is an average coach. I wonder if he looked on with envy when wire won the cup and Lee Briers said that Tony Smith was "the best coach by a country mile"???????????? I bet he did.
My wilderspool memories go back 30+ years,I have seen it all before. Idiot? Me? For having an opinion which incidently others agree with? I think not. The idiotic comment is "if you want to boo go and watch warrington." Try and gloss over it all you like,it's a pop at the wire fans who when enough was enough certainly let him know it was time to quit. Those chants obviously still ring loud and clear inside his head.
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| Quote ="Albino Wolf 2"I take it you didn't make the trip to London for the Harlequins game last year??'"
I certainly did make the trip. I did not critisise smith though as he had only just taken over and I knew he needed time to impliment his methods. 29-8-2009 showed me he knew his stuff. To take a team from bottom of the league to cup winners in 5 months requires a "special one." A really top coach who knows his stuff backwards and inside out. Bleed primrose and blue he may well have done,but Paul Cullen was never in a million years going to be a Tony Smith. That's my opinion.
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| I think its a clever comment really, because the connonations can be judged in different ways. I wouldnt jump down his throat about it though.
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