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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Even Brian Noble dominated Anderson in the international arena
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Smith isn't the coaching guru you lot seem to think he is. His performance with England has been truly terrible. Bobbie Goulding has done a better job in a shorter space of time with the French. They are better organised and more disciplined defensively than we are, which is a farce given the quality of the players they have at their disposal.'"
Quote ="sally cinnamon"But he won the Challenge Cup with Warrington, who were the worst team in the league at the point he took over, and who don't exactly have a long standing pedigree in winning trophies....hence the understandable misconception that he was a coaching guru.
This was perhaps an easier task than winning a few Challenge Cups with the mighty St Helens, as Daniel Anderson did, who promptly won BBC awards and gets hailed by the Saints fans as a 'coaching guru'. It's interesting to look at Anderson's record in international rugby league as coach of New Zealand...which saw him take the Kiwis comfortably down to 3rd place in the pecking order hence him being replaced, whilst his successors promptly delivered the Tri Nations (McLennan) and the World Cup (Kearney).
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"But he won the Challenge Cup with Warrington, who were the worst team in the league at the point he took over, and who don't exactly have a long standing pedigree in winning trophies....hence the understandable misconception that he was a coaching guru.
This was perhaps an easier task than winning a few Challenge Cups with the mighty St Helens, as Daniel Anderson did, who promptly won BBC awards and gets hailed by the Saints fans as a 'coaching guru'. It's interesting to look at Anderson's record in international rugby league as coach of New Zealand...which saw him take the Kiwis comfortably down to 3rd place in the pecking order hence him being replaced, whilst his successors promptly delivered the Tri Nations (McLennan) and the World Cup (Kearney).
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Not sure where the Daniel Anderson angle came in at all. He's never been the England coach and he went 3 years unbeaten in the Challenge Cup. If Smith achieves that fair play to him.
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| Can't wait for the new Super League season.
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| Tony Smith must be coining it in with these two jobs. I mean i reckon Warrington are paying top dollar for his services and the international job must pay fairly well too.
As an added extra i reckon his bonus for the challenge cup win would bring tears to the eyes of all willis st residents.
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| =redOK i'm loathed if I am locking another thread because of you 2 and the insults pack it in or you will both be banned.
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| back to the topic then...well sort of.
If tony is relieved of his english duties (which seems likely if we get thumped by the kiwis) who will replace him?
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| In Smith We Trust.
Hope he leaves his England job though.
Viva Tony
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"You could have Wayne Bennett coaching that England side and it'd be no different....
The England coaching job is for mugs....Trying to live upto the unrealistic expectations of Eddie, Stevo and countless numbnuts on sites like this...
As the saying goes....'You can't polish a turd.....'....
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Well if the England job is for mugs - then Tony Smith is the ideal person
He was a player of no talent - inherited a Rhinos team ready to achieve & then got a call to coach GB / England Won a challenge cup was great for us BUT lets see what he does with "his" team ?
International achievements ? Well 2007 was good cos he picked the right team, 2008 - enough said, 2009 .... well lets wait & see.
It was great to see him singing our national anthem with such passion
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| Quote ="harigeorgeson"
He was a player of no talent - inherited a Rhinos team ready to achieve & then got a call to coach GB / England
Won a challenge cup was great for us BUT lets see what he does with "his" team ?
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after seeing what he could achieve with the crock of garbage left to him by Jimmy Lowes I can't wait to see what he does with "his" team
at the very least I wouldn't be betting against the answer being "considerably better than anything Warrington have done in Super League before"
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| Quote ="Peckerwood"But you can roll it in glitter...
At their best, England can make the final. Unfortunately we haven't see their best so we need a coach who can produce the best out of all 24 players in the squad.'"
Come back Danny McGuire, all is forgiven.
Don't worry that you couldn't kick, tackle or pass on Saturday afternoon, it was all the coach's fault.
Once Tony Smith leaves and someone else comes in, you'll win the Golden Boot. Honestly!
Not even the great Wayne Bennett himself could get this England team any success.
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| Quote ="JWP"That had been 'Ready to achieve' for over a decade, possibly two decades yet nobody had managed it.'"
Not quite, previously we brought in major stars to make up the spine of the team who flopped.. Bradley Clyde, Tony Carrol, Brett Mullins.
A combination of heavy investment in the youth system reaped it's rewards and enabled the spine of the team to be made up of talented homegrown players; Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Diskin, Mathers, Walker etc Blended with Experience players still @ their peak; McDermott, Senior etc and An experienced Aussie in David Furner and a blockbusting winger in Marcus Bai.
True, we will never know if Leeds would have won the League Leaders shield and Grand Final in 2004, or won the WCC and lost the 2005 Challenge Cup Final and Grand Final in 2005 without Tony Smith. Or got knocked out of the play offs at the first hurdle in 2006 (by guess who).
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| That's not a bad post. If Smith can help us develop our Juniors half as well as Leeds have, then we're in for a great future. Leeds and Saints seem to just constantly churn out more young stars each year. Wigan could well do the same, but they seem to get rid of most of them and replace them with second rate Aussies.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"That's not a bad post. If Smith can help us develop our Juniors half as well as Leeds have, then we're in for a great future. Leeds and Saints seem to just constantly churn out more young stars each year. Wigan could well do the same, but they seem to get rid of most of them and replace them with second rate Aussies.'"
Smith showed @ Leeds he wasn't scared of playing the youngsters either. For the 2004 Grand Final he picked JJB over Matt Adamson (Aussie) dropping him completely from the squad.
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| Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."Smith showed @ Leeds he wasn't scared of playing the youngsters either. For the 2004 Grand Final he picked JJB over Matt Adamson (Aussie) dropping him completely from the squad.'"
Didn't he do it to Barry Mac too in the CC Final.
Smith took Leeds to a level they hadn't been too before, he may have had the sort of 'pieces laid out' but it needed somebody to put them together, a bit like he found at our gaff. If he gets even close to replicating the success he created at Leeds I'll be delighted, even more so if he can leave the club in such a healthy position like he left Leeds, allowing Leeds to continue that stability beyond his tenure.
He strikes me as a coach who builds clubs, not just on the pitch, but should he leave, he leaves with structures in place. Both Huddersfield & Leeds have prospered beyond his reign.
It's a tougher job he took on here, no doubt in my mind, but I think he believes he can achieve the same success, and whats more, I believe him.
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| He quite clearly picked Ben Harrison before Vinnie Anderson too on many occasions.
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| Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."Smith showed @ Leeds he wasn't scared of playing the youngsters either. For the 2004 Grand Final he picked JJB over Matt Adamson (Aussie) dropping him completely from the squad.'"
Wasn't Adamson doing a miracle recovery from a broken chhekbone or something either way Smith has already shown this at Warrington by playing McCarthy ay Wembley instead of Rauhihi.
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| That one too.
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| [qu:1y5gp84aote="JWP"Didn't he do it to Barry Mac too in the CC Final.
He did mate, Barrie Mac had a shocker in the game a week before the final against Bradford. I think this is why he dropped him, I personally think it was a big mistake as the big Hull pack we faced in the final was on the large side and totally dominated our pack in the final. JJB went to prop. To me JJB is the most ineffective prop in the league due to his size, i rate him as a 2nd rower though.
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| Sorry if I upset some people - you should chill out a bit.
My point is (& I quite rate Tony Smith - in terms of being in the right place at the right time ) Tony needs to concentrate on the Wolves. He is a really bad loser & never wants to make eye contact when he is annoyed with the press.
Anyway - lets hope England beat NZ & go into the final with confidence.
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