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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"He wasn't your coach at the World Cup last year was he? I think England fans had their opinions of him then aswell. This has sweet fa to do with Wire.'"
You failed to mention his record in relation to previous coaches? People for years have moaned about youth not being given a chance or coaches going with the same old players, well Che is trying to blood new players. I agree that Tomkins should be in there but Myler had earnt his stripes against the French last time, granted that Myler was awful against the Welsh possibly with him not having played for 3 months.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"At club level, this is "International" where so far Smith has failed miserably.'"
Care to highight the successful ones in the past forty years?
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"It is not about the result against France!
The france game is preperation for the biggest game since the WC against the aussies, if we played Tomkins and McGuire in this game then they would be much better off for the game against the aussies, infact the whole team would benefit.
Please someone try and justify this decision. How do I talk nonsense, go on I dare you to justify Smiths decision.
Myler might have a great game and score a few tries but thats not the point, Tomkins did that in the last game when they both played and should be playing in this game as preperation.
Myler selection is simply a perk or signing for wire.'"
have you tried ringing the club shop?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Care to highight the successful ones in the past forty years?'"
David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.'"
So the answer to his question was "I cant".
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.'"
David Waite the head coach/technical whatever for the 4-44 mauling?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"David Waite the head coach/technical whatever for the 4-44 mauling?'"
Nowhere near as bad as Smiths disaster as the 50 plus record in Melbourne last year. Never ever been so embarassed being an England fan, I can actually say that as I was there. We was lucky to just beat PNG ffs!
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| IMO i think tomkins should start ahead of myler, bench is weak carvell should be in instead of westwood but im aure the team will be diffrent for the oz and NZ games
cant see us losing againts the frogs though, so take the win and improve what we are missing
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| Quote ="LiamPb"IMO i think tomkins should start ahead of myler, bench is weak carvell should be in instead of westwood but im aure the team will be diffrent for the oz and NZ games
cant see us losing againts the frogs though, so take the win and improve what we are missing'"
tbh I think Westwood should be there, IMO Carvell should be in ahead of Eastmond. I fail to see what impact Eastmond can bring when I can't see him taking off McGuire or Myler. I also worry with Eastmonds size against a big French team, he often goes into hiding and makes easy excuses to try and come off the pitch if things aren't going his way.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"Nowhere near as bad as Smiths disaster as the 50 plus record in Melbourne last year. Never ever been so embarassed being an England fan, I can actually say that as I was there. We was lucky to just beat PNG ffs!'"
Were you there for the 64-12 stuffing in Australia too?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Were you there for the 64-12 stuffing in Australia too?'"
You can't blame Waite for that, the players didn't want to go and was at the wrong time of year. Read Rads book, he has the upmost respect for DW. I'd much rather take notice of a highly respectable player rather than a fan of the game.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"You can't blame Waite for that, the players didn't want to go and was at the wrong time of year. Read Rads book, he has the upmost respect for DW. I'd much rather take notice of a highly respectable player rather than a fan of the game.'"
Radlinski cites multiple examples of the lack of nouse from the game's administrators.
What about the 12-40 hammering a few months later back home, under Waite's stewardship?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Radlinski cites multiple examples of the lack of nouse from the game's administrators.
What about the 12-40 hammering a few months later back home, under Waite's stewardship?'"
What about the 50 point drubbing last year under Smith?
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue" I also worry with Eastmonds size against a big French team, he often goes into hiding and makes easy excuses to try and come off the pitch if things aren't going his way.'"
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| Quote ="Tony Catsmith"have you tried ringing the club shop?'"
Fantastic contribution to the thread that is, and your a mod, your the one trying to encourage discusion.
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| Quote ="Supreme Sydney2002"FACT
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It is actually, reserves game at leeds and on the coach the team finds out that ryan bailey's playing. In the warm up Eastmond "pulls" up in the warm up and decides not to play. This is info is from one of my mates who used to be involved with the Saints coaching.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"What about the 50 point drubbing last year under Smith?'"
Repetition of history. Do you see where this going.
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| Its a bit worrying if our "best" Scrum Half can't even get a game at Salford, but is still the best choice for England.
Unless of course something [ielse [/ihappened, but who would dare insinuate that?
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| Quote ="Bovrick"Its a bit worrying if our "best" Scrum Half can't even get a game at Salford, but is still the best choice for England.
Unless of course something [ielse [/ihappened, but who would dare insinuate that?'"
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Fantastic contribution to the thread that is, and your a mod, your the one trying to encourage discusion.'"
For someone who is not that bothered anymore about international RL and thinks its a joke, you dont half go on about it like an old woman.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Repetition of history. Do you see where this going.'"
I'd give up, he's massively missing the point.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"You can't blame Waite for that, the players didn't want to go and was at the wrong time of year. Read Rads book, he has the upmost respect for DW. I'd much rather take notice of a highly respectable player rather than a fan of the game.'"
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| Quote ="Wire_85"For someone who is not that bothered anymore about international RL and thinks its a joke, you dont half go on about it like an old woman.'"
Where do I state I am not bothered?
I go on about it because its the main topic atm, or would you like a discussion about the expenses?
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Where do I state I am not bothered?
I go on about it because its the main topic atm, or would you like a discussion about the expenses?'"
Maybe they want it about Tony Smith, the best England coach ever and ever.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"Maybe they want it about Tony Smith, the best England coach ever and ever.'"
Who's come out and said that Smith is the best England coach ever, pal?
Think you're trying to put words in people's mouths here.
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