Say no more.

We're not even in the top 5 I bet.
Sometimes I wonder what people watch, at times this year we looked terribly ordinary in the backs, especially from set plays. IMO this year barr King, Briers and at times Bridge our back 7 didn't look threatening.
(Im counting Monas as 9 for the most part)
There was times where we'd dominate periods of games and just couldnt get over the line, Cas H, Leeds H, Hull A (although eventually we scored), Bradford H are a few that sprig to mind

5th in tries scored. 8th in points for. Also only Celtic and Salford have conceeded more points.

This in my opinion is proof of the quality of our pack. Until the last game of the season I was struggling to remember any long range tries we had scored in the leagie, in particular at the HJ.

I may be wrong but it seems that the majority of tries we scored were close range tries meaning that the forwards had invariably moved us into that position.

And to clarify the comments on our poor pack.

Morley
Higham
Carvell
Westwood

all in the England train on squad.
Would expect Morley, Carvell and Westwood to make final 22


L Anderson, one of only 2 English based players in the NZ squad
Ben Harrison, one of the prospects in superleague.

Not bad.

However the link between the forwards and the backs, and the creativity coming from the halfbacks - in particular early in the season,has been atrocious at times this year. We suffered from the age old problem that if Briers didnt play we created nothing. Fortunately steps have been made to rectify this.

So IMO the forwards can hold their heads up high this year but could we see a bit more entertainment/flair from the backline next season please MR Smith.

Theres other packs in the legue like huddersfield who have got them to where they are. The only other team no-one has mentioned that personally is a good pack is Hull Kr so only a line i think we might have the 4th best pack?

A counter arguement to that could be your defensive record. Teams have put more points past Warrington than any other side bar Salford and Celtic. So by your theory they must have made considerable metres against your pack to enable that to happen.

In Morley, Monaghan and Carvell you undoubtedly have a quality starting front row in terms of raw metre munching. But the impact Morley and Carvell being off the field together has is quite profound at times. I remember Saints scored a lot of points through the middle against Warrington this season, including all the tries in the surge away from you after Carvell's gallop. Even the defensive work of Morley and Carvell themselves is questionable.

Confirmation of Warrington's pack's relative weakness defensively could also be found in the missed tackles stats. Morley and Carvell, your best forwards, have relatively poor tackle and missed tackle counts:

Graham 23 missed tackles from 625 - 3.7% missed
Peacock 33 missed tackles from 775 - 4.3% missed
Morley 52 missed tackles from 500 - 10.4% missed
Carvell 46 missed tackles from 461 - 10.0% missed

when did king briers and bridge move into the pack

Warrington fans. Not only do they think their powderpuff pack is good, they also cant read!

Moz is a big hard ba'stard with no dummy spits, Graham is a fat, ginger mard with plenty. There the only stats that matter.

So you would be happy with an inferior player because he's 'hard'?

Better than someone whos doesnt want to be there and is intimidated by the opposition!

Not inferior though, ask anybody in world RL who they fear? Everytime it will be Moz, huge respect on both sides of the world. One made dream team, one didn't ...nuff said.

Fear means little in reality.

If Morley went really rubbish, you wouldn't want him over Graham just because he is feared.

I'd rather have somebody who is better at his job and makes more yards than somebody who has a reputation of being hard and is worse.

Morley aint even that good. COuple of good drives, a swinging arm or two and loads of missed tackles is what you can expect

If Morley isnt "That Good" why is he in the dream team this year? Also Maybe having the most feared player in the league will make people try to avoid him and if you notice when morley does a big hit or even a good drive no-one wants to be near him. A bit like Peacock also another "Hard" man

Morley aint even good? But i guess nick fozzard is the best prop around except graham for you?

Morley makes more yards when he carries the ball. By fear I mean as a player, one dream team..one not..simple.

Classic, didn't know lee evans came on here?

More yards per carry by one meter. Yet the yard difference between Jammer and Morley is half of Morley's entire season total. So in one more game (23 games to 24) Jammer has made what took Morley 11-12.

One man of steel, one not. Simple.

Sig tastic

If morley wins man of steel this is going to go in my signature

I'll wait until Graham performs at the highest level before putting him in the same league as Morley.

Your living in the past. No doubt Morley has had a fantastic career.

However THIS YEAR, Jammer has been head and shoulder better.

What level would that be?

An NRL Grand Final, probably