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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"What you mean to say is that your wrong and stats don't lie but your clutching at straws so can you give me better stats that may give me some evidence to back up my claims.'"
No what I mean is that we as a team play much better with Clarke on the pitch and stats are useless in these discussions. This was painfully proved on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Phil Anderer"No need for that Lefty.
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I was thinking this myself but he's a gold member so ill leave it alone and carry on with the discussion, i wont bring myself down to his level.
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| Quote ="Lefty"No what I mean is that we as a team play much better with Clarke on the pitch and stats are useless in these discussions. =redThis was painfully proved on Saturday.'"
So the Higham break from dummy half which gained us a good 20 meters to be in front of the sticks in which we scored a try from the next play, was irrelevant on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"So the Higham break from dummy half which gained us a good 20 meters to be in front of the sticks in which we scored a try from the next play, was irrelevant on Saturday.'"
....and there was the one.
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| Also who put the pass in for Vinny to score?
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| How an earth can you say we play much better when Clarke is on the field, that is completely ludicrous.
Any chance of a poll on this thread please mods, Wire with Higham and Wire with Clarke which is best
Bridge was the answer to your question, Monaghan-Bridge-Vinnie.
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| Neither of them are the best hooker in the world, it says a lot about the standard of our game that either of them have played for Great Britain IMO.
However not sure a debate on who is the best is needed. Clarke is better at controlling the game, and defence, with Higham coming on later as he is more of an impact hooker. They're different type of hookers.
FWIW, I don't think Clarke should have been given a contract extension, as we are pretty much stuck with him until 2011. Someone like Diskin could come in and do a better job for us. I think McIlorum would be a good future signing if we can tempt him away from Wigan.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"How an earth can you say we play much better when Clarke is on the field, that is completely ludicrous.
Any chance of a poll on this thread please mods, Wire with Higham and Wire with Clarke which is best
Bridge was the answer to your question, Monaghan-Bridge-Vinnie.'"
No it wasn't. Clarke put him in.
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| Micky Higham is a good impact hooker, probably the best in the country behind James Roby.
But as a starting, organizational hooker he struggles to compete with the best, but that's to be expected as that isn't how he should be used. Starting Clarke and brining on Higham to run at tiring defenders is exactly how he should be used and Tony Smith seems to be doing this effectively.
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| =redTrolling is not welcome on this forum, stick to sensible debate or don't bother Wolfette
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| Quote ="FireWire"FWIW, I don't think Clarke should have been given a contract extension, as we are pretty much stuck with him until 2011.'"
That was one of the worst decisions in the clubs recent history.
Clarke got called up to GB as a last resort, Wire panick and hand him a 3/4 year improved deal when in fact no other SL team worth its salt would have come in for him.
I wish whoever was responsible for that appalling decision would hold their hands up and apologise
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"=redTrolling is not welcome on this forum, stick to sensible debate or don't bother Wolfette.'"
Please, you obviously have no idea. Higham HAS to be the best hooker in the world.
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| Does it mean if you use those stats as a rule to judge how well a player played you have to ignore the real stuff like taking in the defensive line good distribution from acting half and the great pass to Anderson for the match winning try.
none of that info is in stats in fact there is so much information not in stats I find myself actually watching the game...... its really interesting.......
this forum has gone to the knackers yard
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| Quote ="Phil Anderer"That was one of the worst decisions in the clubs recent history.
Clarke got called up to GB as a last resort, Wire panick and hand him a 3/4 year improved deal when in fact no other SL team worth its salt would have come in for him.
I wish whoever was responsible for that appalling decision would hold their hands up and apologise
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Clarke would have been picked last year for the world cup. I think you will find on that case Higham was the last resort.
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| Quote ="Lefty"Please, you obviously have no idea. Higham HAS to be the best hooker in the world.'"
Tell you what, he's one of the best English hooker's knocking about, I'd say only Cunningham and Roby beat him.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Tell you what, he's one of the best English hooker's knocking about, I'd say only Cunningham and Roby beat him.'"
Was a great pass from Bridge wasn't it?
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| Quote ="Lefty"Was a great pass from Bridge wasn't it?'"
It wasn't but whilst watching the highlights i noticed that it was Higham who attained the good field position that led to Grix's try, almost scoring in the process.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Tell you what, he's one of the best English hooker's knocking about, I'd say only Cunningham and Roby beat him.'"
He's probably the second best impact hooker in the country.
As a starting, genuine number 9 he's behind Cunningham, Moore, Diskin, Newton and McIlorum.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"It wasn't but whilst watching the highlights i noticed that it was Higham who attained the good field position that led to Grix's try, almost scoring in the process.'"
Forget about it. You don't even know what you are watching.
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| Quote ="Phil Anderer"That was one of the worst decisions in the clubs recent history.
Clarke got called up to GB as a last resort, Wire panick and hand him a 3/4 year improved deal when in fact no other SL team worth its salt would have come in for him.
I wish whoever was responsible for that appalling decision would hold their hands up and apologise
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You're right it was a ludicrous decision. One of Cullen's wasn't it?
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"He's probably the second best impact hooker in the country.
As a starting, genuine number 9 he's behind Cunningham, Moore and Diskin, Newton and McIlorum.'"
...and Clarke.
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"He's probably the second best impact hooker in the country.
As a starting, genuine number 9 he's behind Cunningham, Moore, Diskin, Newton and McIlorum.'"
I'd say Clarke is behind all of those as well, as a starting, genuine number 9.
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| Quote ="FireWire"You're right it was a ludicrous decision. One of Cullen's wasn't it?'"
Yeah you have guessed it, another one of Cullen's barmy decisions. Imagine if Cullen was still at the club, we would be offering Briers a new 2 year deal probably!
Face it we are stuck with Clarke for another few years.
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| Quote ="FireWire"I'd say Clarke is behind all of those as well, as a starting, genuine number 9.'"
Agreed.
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| Clarke is not behind Moore or Diskin or Newton Or McIlorum for that fact.
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