You are joking aren't you?

No.

Penny's positives are: He can run.

King's positives are: He isn't to bad at going forward (like a prop would), He can catch a ball (from the air), He is stronger.

We dont play to Penny strengths anymore,we dont get him
in the positions we don't kick over the top to drive the
opposition back and give him a chance to chase,since
Matt King arrived he seems to have struggled big time.

If he continues to be slagged off and taken off his
confidence will just dive again i think if he was
playing outside Gleeson or in the Saints or Leeds
team you would see him score lots of tries and his
defence would hardly get a mention.

Would rather see Matt King disappear than one
of our own trained but thats another thread.

Please don't insult me by suggesting i know nothing about rugby and it's nothing about hating certain player, it's what's best for the team.
I also feel that King has no confidence in Penny and that he would have more it Gleeson.

I'm afraid your comments about King offering more than Penny do rather validate my comments about your rugby knowledge..

Your incessant ramblings about how poor Penny is are totally wrong. Watch the game again - he was not at fault for any of the tries. The inside defence was atrocious, as it was for much of last season. Using Penny as a scapegoat is ridiculous.

You're as one-eyed as Lowes when it comes to Penny

I'm afraid that blaming a defensive frailty on the fringes on one player, when that defensive frailty is prevelant whether that person is on the field or not, does suggest that either you know nothing about rugby or hate the player in question.

If I had the answer to the problem I'd be a coach, but I remain quite confident that removing one young winger from the team will not cure it.

When Gleeson is fit Penny will probably be dropped, and probably in favour of Johnson. Then we will see if the problem down the left is due to Penny, or someone else!

I have also slated king on the Matt king thread but i think Penny is the worst defender and positional player of them both.

Sorry for having an opinion.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion. Nobody is entitled to not have their opinions shot down, especially if they fly in the face of the available evidence.

I'm half agreeing with LWF on this one. I'm not sure Penny is ready for superleague yet. A lot of people bang on about him learning but other youngsters (Blythe, Harrison, Riley) seem to fit right in without this 'learning' process. I don't think we can afford to have someone in our team who is still learning.

I panic when they kick to Penny as he seems to be quite unsure catching the ball.

Penny's occasional moments of genius do seem to be easily out weighed by his lapses in concentration. I'm not going to blame his positioning just yet as King going missing makes it impossible to blame him for most tries down our left.

King needs to play on the wing outside Bridge as others have said. to sure up the left hand side.

Two things that did annoy me was his attempt at converting that scoring chance from the cross-field kick; why the hell did he dive at it feet first? Tends to suggest a lack of bravery.

And the tackle attempt at Gardner when he should him smashed him into touch was also rather pitiful.

Can we have a petitition or shall we have to put up with a facebook group cockers stylee?

FFS..!

that's it, i've decided that you're an official wind up merchant.

From your posts this weeks, there's no other explanation to it.

I think he dove at it feet first in at attempt to trap it. It would have been an almost impossible catch, as he would have had to take it whilst diving. It almost came off.

As for the tackle on Gardner, I think Credit goes to Gardner tbh, as he got so low, it became very difficult to get a big hit in. Gardner should have scored, and he did. It would have been a wonder play to keep him out there.

I've just watched the tries again, and Penny was at fault for 1 of them for me, the 2nd try. He came in as Flannery (I think) was offloading, and then realised he should have stayed out. This is the one where Gardner went low and scored.

As for the one where he got dragged off, he pulled off a very good tackle on Gardner, there was just no other Wire players alert enough to take Gidley.

He's not a rugby league player.

He doesn't have finesse, he doesn't have the skill or rugby league ability.

He has an abundance of pace, that doesn't make him a rugby league player, far from it.

He might improve with correct coaching, but in my opinion, he needs a lot of direct coaching from a decent former/existing player, to bring his game on.

i agree give the lad a chance BUT i would make the following points

he has the pace to skin the best he did it last year so create an opening for him

i worry he does not seem to like the physical side of the game most players in rugby would come in hard on a winger going over for a try he does not seem to have that in him is he a naturally aggressive lad?

Penny has the potential, but hasn't developed yet.

I'm not 100% sure whether he'll need to learn those skills on or off the Super League field.....

Comparing him with Riley;

Penny - Has the potential, but isn't ready yet
Riley - Has less potential, but is ready now

I believe Penny is the future, Riley is the now

I just don't think Penny and King work well together, you can't blame just one player for our weakness on that side.

Are you a poet ?

How many rugby league players would have attempted to 'trap it'. It wasn't the action of a rugby league player whose instinct would always be to get their hands to it.

well god knows how long riley's been playing the game, but conside the fact this is his 5th season involved in the first team. In the grand scheme of things i get the impression that penny's probably where riley was back in 05.

Giants had a player just like that. Paul White!