I didnt post this on here to start an argument between the fans when we obviously are all there for the same reason no matter what views u have on chanting. I just no the atmosphere and fans when we get right behind the players during a game, Does motivate them and makes them feel like we are the extra man they sometimes need. Some of the players have even commented about it in the guardian at the start of the season.

I no its never going to get like the old geordie days as no1 has that booming voice he had to start the chants. But i think everyone can agree that the place can definately be a more exciting place than it has been all year to date.

And i do agree with the comment earlier that you can kinda force an atmosphere when you look at the likes of european football. For them its all about playing at home and making the away team scared of them.

And yes the walkie talkie comment is 100% true lol. They even made one of the lads move their drums by 5ft!!!! To stop the inteference haha

But if drummers weren't there, after a while people would start to make spontaneous songs up and after a while they'd catch on and songs with far better words than "der der der der der der" (whoch seem to go hand-in-hand with drums) can get going. Incessant drumming is monotonous and annoying and most songs that go along with them are garbage. What happened to songs with words? What happened to "Waaaaarrigton...Waaaaarrington..."?

Drums are needed when a stadium holds 60/70/80000 with a vocal stand that holds 20000 that is full and everyone needs a beat to keep in time. When a whole ground holds 15000 and the vocal stand holds 6000 and isn't full, there absolutely no need for a drum. Drums bring a forced and unnatural, manufactured atmosphere. Real atmosphere will rise and fall with the excitement and drama of a game and I think if we went a couple of years without any drums this natural atmosphere would be well evolved and would be better than it's been for a while.

The Hull clubs don't have a drum, and they're arguably the best two clubs for atmosphere.

Being original is key as well. Singing the same tired old songs or just following the same tired old "der der der der der der der" tunes that have been going around since the mid 90s that half the team sports clubs in England sing or "der" along to, is surely now run it's course?

On the drums, i'm in the minority camp of i don't care either way, i know they're divisive but i don't notice them, i'm usually engrossed in the game.
Singing, sometimes i do, i get in the mood love it, sometimes im quiet and just cba with it.
Sometimes i sit in the East, sometimes go in the West most of the time in the south and occasionally treat myself to the north.
You can't cater for everyone in one big catch all.
I do despair that the 'old farts' moan about people just trying to create a better experience for themselves, if that's their thing then just let them be if they doing no wrong.
No the young ones need to be aware that these 'old farts' as you call them have been there and done that and it's their prerogative to be quiet, they're there for the game and that's enough for them.
We've got to just except that people want different things from their match day experience.
Non of our opinions are right or wrong but i'm certainly not going to criticise people with good intentions.
These 'drummers' are just as enthusiastic about the club than those who research the history of our club, they are just as important.

We are all one, Lupus Non Mordet Lupum has never been more appropriate.

I pretty much agree with this. Like most I have never been the type to start a chant, rather I used to follow and join in (still do at the right times and the right chant). I genuinely believe that the drums have replaced those characters who would start chants meaning chants now basically involve a 'dum de dum WIRE'.

How do you bang out 'GI' ME A DOUBLEYOU'?

I may come across as not liking the drums however (despite them moving in 'next door' the past couple of weeks) I can take them or leave them.

People support their team in different ways. If you and your mates want to try and get them going with the drum, go for it. The more you try, the more you will realise what does and doesnt work. Keep at it lads.

This (glad to see you've got your head back together ha ha) and very fair.

Good luck to the people in the corner, I hope that you can gain some support as I believe that your hearts are in the right place. One observation, not a criticism, but, I stand on the 40 towards the West in the South and you definately need some back up

Spot the Victor Meldrews LMAO what next don't speak until half time

Please tell me at which point I said everyone needs to get bladdered? Its mearly an observation I have noticed for some time now and you can't tell me that drink doesn't encourage people to get involved more. Because if thats what you honestly think then it is you that is really daft. All I'm saying is that its a factor.

And how is it a stupid comment to say you can try to force an atmosphere? If all you do is come on here to critisize people that are actually trying to make an effort then I feel really sorry for you. Some people don't half moan, If them lads get it going at home games and they pull it off I'd bet now that you'd join in and love to see the whole stand going for it every game.

Idiots like them are more than welcome over there because the last thing they need is people like you moaning. And as for the comment "then everyone can get on with watching the game and supporting the wire" There are many ways of supporting. Firstly we've all supported by paying for a ticket, some people also choose to sing and get behind the team when their heads are down. To me thats the idea of a supporter. singing and lifting them up when they're going through a tough spell, showing them that we arn't discouraged and therefore they shouldn't be. Ask any player they love to hear the songs. At keighley banterous songs were sang to the players that some may find inappropriate. However I've seen Joel and Myler killing themselves laughing at them, they love it.

Too many rules in the ground. No swearing, no gestures, no standing on the yellow lines. It's killed the fun that used to be the game. You're scared to say anything now incase you're reported to a steward. I'm all for it being a family game and protecting children from bad language and aggression but it is a major factor for killing the atmosphere I think. Maybe there should be a section of the south for families? Or make the north east a family section? that way if you do decide to take children into the standing then you know the risk you are taking. Just an Idea.


I'm not having a go at anyone, that seems to be other poeoples job on here. I'm just stating a view. You are welcome to yours but to call someone daft and idiots without even knowing them? Get a gip.

You could start spreading the word over there if you know of anyone interested

so let me get this straight... not being aloud to shout swear words, make obscene gestures and block the walkways has 'killed the fun'.... and you're all for 'protecting children from bad language and aggression'... and your suggestion on how to 'fix' this obvious problem is to have a part of the ground where 'swearing, obscene gestures and blocking the walkways is ALLOWED.

Great idea..... have you thought about writing to the club ?

Exactly the reason there should be a family section, like many grounds in the UK. I don't mean fighting or anything like that but what i mean is you're scared to do anything in fear of the fun police these days

May be they could sing nursery rhymes in the family section .

get Russ Abbott in. He loves a party with a happy atmosphere.

Did anyone of this thread go to the Swinton match tonight? If you did you might have noticed the Whitehaven fans (a particular group of about 20 lads) showing the way to do it. No drums. No foul language. No abusive chants or threatening behaviour. But boy were they noisy! Didn't stop singing and chanting all through the game and you could see the players appreciated it.

I always find good away support raises any atmosphere as the challenge on the pitch is taken up on the terraces. What's the away support like in SL it's poor in the championship now

No what I'm saying is that if there was a family section then families would not be subjected directly to foul language ect. I'm not saying we should have a firm and go round kicking off and abusing the opposition. all I'm saying that IMO its the little things the club do that go a long way in killing the game atmosphere:

1) Foul language ect.
2) Drink.
3) The music before a game.
4) The Try music.
5) No half time challenge.
6) Marketing from the club. (Every single game should be plastered all over the town, get more people in)
7) Plus the amount of new fans we have who don't know any charts apart from the god awful 'Oh warry warry' and they can't hear the other chants because no one joins in! Its a vicious circle.

I have seen a grown man ejected from the stadium for shouting 'You're a f***ing joke ref' Does everyone on here that throwing him out was really necessary? It's like being back in school, If people want to blow off steam from a hard week by effing and jeffing to the ref, team or other fans then why not? what major disaster will come of it? what act of terror has been committed there? We never used to be a stadium or club so that was so full of rules. Back in the day we kids used to go, I used to go with the old man. And I was taught 'Whatever you see or hear at the game you never repeat or do' and I never did. It was expected, people knew what happened at games as did the children and everyone still had fun, no one got hurt... It just confuses me




Yes you would think so, however Wigan at home last season their fans put us the shame as did saints this season. Dead as a door nail the HJ

Just need as many people in that new corner as possible. The more join in and sing the better the atmosphere will be. I hope word gets around and we do attract some people to the corner. But then on the 20 metre line where we were surrounded by 12 year olds who are on their fones for the whole 80 minutes. And i definately agree that people go there to let off some steam so if they want to shout and scream as long as there are no punches and racism then it should be allowed.

I am sure some of the little treasures that go to the matches will know words that will make most peoples hair curl.

I'm naturally curly :/

I don't understand this fascination with 'atmosphere' at matches.

Surely the most important thing is the rugby match itself?

I don't go to a match to sing or bang a drum. I go to watch a rugby match.

Adds to the experience. Some people want to sit and watch in silence, clapping when we score with a nice boveril and a prawn sandwich. (Imagine that?)

And there are those who want to get behind the team, showing support to them, drink, blow away all the e from work you've had all week, Yanno... Have fun

weird isnt it..... some people want to shout, swear and act in an aggressive way.

apparently, if you cant do these things... there's no fun to be had... INFACT by trying to stamp these things out, the club are 'killing the fun'.

you couldn't make it up.

Exactly that's what some want to do at the match. We think you're killing the fun by just sitting there. there is no right and wrong really.

I think this thread has really missed the point on what’s happening in the new corner. If we can take our minds off the drum for a second, I have reposted what we're trying to do and what’s happening. I hope this will shed some light on the situation and will help you understand what is going on. I have got together with a few other people who were fed up with the flat match day experience, at the Halliwell Jones. We created a Facebook page got about 60 people to join and started throwing around ideas of what we can do to improve the experience at home games. So we decided to move to the corner where people can see us all around the stadium. We don't want to be referred as a group or gang. We would prefer to have the fans unified as one. We didn't want to become some eastern European ultras group, which people would cringe at. We want to create something, which the fans and the club would be proud of. Now we have moved, we need more people to join us and help us improve. We're not expecting this to happen over night, nor are we expecting it to be an instant hit with every single fan, but the only way this will work is if more people get behind us. At the Bradford game we had about 30 people move to the corner but it’s not enough. We need people to come over to the corner and get behind the team and get behind us. Anybody is welcome, just watch the game and enjoy yourself. We're not a bunch of childish chavs, which some of you on here seem to think we are. We're just loyal Wire fans with a passion for rugby league. For more information about what’s happening with the 'Reclaim the Zoo movement' (as some people are calling it) then ask to join this Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/117198151807628/ you will be able to see what’s happening and give us suggestions on what you think will help us.

I think this thread has really missed the point on what’s happening in the new corner. If we can take our minds off the drum for a second, I have reposted what we're trying to do and what’s happening. I hope this will shed some light on the situation and will help you understand what is going on. I have got together with a few other people who were fed up with the flat match day experience, at the Halliwell Jones. We created a Facebook page got about 60 people to join and started throwing around ideas of what we can do to improve the experience at home games. So we decided to move to the corner where people can see us all around the stadium. We don't want to be referred as a group or gang. We would prefer to have the fans unified as one. We didn't want to become some eastern European ultras group, which people would cringe at. We want to create something, which the fans and the club would be proud of. Now we have moved, we need more people to join us and help us improve. We're not expecting this to happen over night, nor are we expecting it to be an instant hit with every single fan, but the only way this will work is if more people get behind us. At the Bradford game we had about 30 people move to the corner but it’s not enough. We need people to come over to the corner and get behind the team and get behind us. Anybody is welcome, just watch the game and enjoy yourself. We're not a bunch of childish chavs, which some of you on here seem to think we are. We're just loyal Wire fans with a passion for rugby league. For more information about what’s happening with the 'Reclaim the Zoo movement' (as some people are calling it) then ask to join this Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/117198151807628/ you will be able to see what’s happening and give us suggestions on what you think will help us.