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| Inga the winger was a £400,000 cross code deal I believe too??
Wigan spending spree started way before the previous forenames though.
I'll go back to say Case Potter Courtney Fairhurst and Later McGinty.
The Wigan up rise was from a Wire exodus!
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| Quote ="lister"
Just some of the transfer fees I could find, of course there were plenty more.
1985 Ellery Hanley £150,000
1986 Joe Lydon £100,000
1987 Andy Gregory £130,000
1992 Martin Offiah £440,000
1993 Gary Connolly £250,000
1993 Nigel Wright £130,000
1994 Terry O'Connor £95,000
2006 Stuart Fielden £450,000
2009 Martin Gleeson (£100,000 and Richie Mathers I think we got)
2013 John Bateman Undisclosed
With some of those figures you've got to think what the money would be worth now. £440,000 would be around £700,000.
In the 1950's they bought Billy Boston, Eric Ashton, Mick Sullivan.'"
2015/16 Sam Tomkins in excess of £200,000 (according to BBC 18/01/2016)
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| Sam T Cost Pies nothing. NW Warriors owed Pies around $400,000 aus on installments on him.
They just wrote off the debt to have him return early and so avoid a huge battle with Wire for his signature in 2017.
Pies no longer have the financial clout since Leneghan took control from DW. He had to be shrewd to be able to play poker against Moran, so Waney and Leneghan groomed ST all throughout his transfer for brokering a early return that helped Leneghan get a upper hand.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Sam T Cost Pies nothing. NW Warriors owed Pies around $400,000 aus on installments on him.
They just wrote off the debt to have him return early and so avoid a huge battle with Wire for his signature in 2017.
Pies no longer have the financial clout since Leneghan took control from DW. He had to be shrewd to be able to play poker against Moran, so Waney and Leneghan groomed ST all throughout his transfer for brokering a early return that helped Leneghan get a upper hand.'"
I don't know whether or not you say is correct, (not doubting it, I simply don't know) but assuming that it is...
If I owed you £5,000, but you wanted my car so I gave it to you and you wrote off my £5,000 debt then the car was not free, it would have cost you £5,000. Whether handing over the cash, or writing off a debt, wigan would still effectively have paid for Sam Tomkins.
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| Your example has nothing to do with the Tomkins deal.
If you trying to put it in those terms then I would guess the contract is the use of the car until all payments are made otherwise there is a risk of loosing the use of the car contract and then debt is Tomkins. NZ warrior cannot keep up the contract use of Tomkins and return the goods but the wholesale price of the contract has not depreciated like the car because it's not a car it's Tomkins.
In all essence it is really a loan and by letting Tomkins go for a couple of years, Pies relinquish his wage bill and receive a sum, and get back Tomkins, whilst value is added throughout the deal as NRL experience has been aquired.
I'm confused myself now....either way Wigan has come out of it smelling pretty, the only dampener to the deal if that the debt Tomkins was returned with some front end damage, and now getting back the contract, the use of Tomkins, there is a loss, his wage.
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| But what if, after letting Tomkins leave to play in New Zealand, wigan brought a youngster through their system or picked up a gem from a lower level club. They then realise that this new wonderkid is a better player than Tomkins, and they don't need Tomkins back. New Zealand Warriors are then obliged to pay wigan the outstanding debt of NZ$400,000.
One scenario, wigan don't sign Tomkins so receive a payment of NZ$400,000 to put in the bank.
Other scenario, wigan sign Tomkins but don't receive NZ$400,000 to put in the bank.
Which ever way you look at it, choosing to sign Tomkins would effectively cost wigan NZ$400,000.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"But what if, after letting Tomkins leave to play in New Zealand, wigan brought a youngster through their system or picked up a gem from a lower level club. They then realise that this new wonderkid is a better player than Tomkins, and they don't need Tomkins back. New Zealand Warriors are then obliged to pay wigan the outstanding debt of NZ$400,000.
One scenario, wigan don't sign Tomkins so receive a payment of NZ$400,000 to put in the bank.
Other scenario, wigan sign Tomkins but don't receive NZ$400,000 to put in the bank.
Which ever way you look at it, choosing to sign Tomkins would effectively cost wigan NZ$400,000.'"
Correct, he cost Wigan what ever the balance of the debt that got cancelled. No idea what the exact numbers were though.
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| No it won't. The only loss for Wigan was the lack of Tomkins on the field and predicted extra success they may have had for them while he is at NZ and the relatively smaller contract offered to Bowen.
They got Tomkins back entirely without a signing on fee.
The loss of revenue over Tomkins contract is different from Tomkins the player.
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| Wigan owned Tomkins not NZW until the contract is complete.
They didn't buy him back. It was like a loan through hp.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"
No it won't. The only loss for Wigan was the lack of Tomkins on the field and predicted extra success they may have had for them while he is at NZ and the relatively smaller contract offered to Bowen.
They got Tomkins back entirely without a signing on fee.
The loss of revenue over Tomkins contract is different from Tomkins the player.'"
Are you being deliberately obtuse? I appreciate the Ian Leneghan didn't have to write a cheque for the transfer, but if wigan wrote off the debt owed to them in order to sign Tomkins then Tomkins effectively cost wigan the value of the written off debt.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Wigan owned Tomkins not NZW until the contract is complete.
They didn't buy him back. It was like a loan through hp.'"
They could have waited, banked their NZ$s, and then hoped to resign Tomkins at the end of his contract. But by taking him back early, wigan wrote off a debt owed to them, hence there was a financial cost to resigning Sam Tomkins.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"They could have waited, banked their NZ$s, and then hoped to resign Tomkins at the end of his contract. But by taking him back early, wigan wrote off a debt owed to them, hence there was a financial cost to resigning Sam Tomkins.'"
By not agreeing with you is obtuse? I disagree with your view but I won't insult you.
You have a right to differ on opinion. Your counter post have not on this occasion swayed my view., that doesn't mean to say I don't enjoy the debate and won't be swayed on other matters in other topics.
If I can't give you an argument I'll say so with pleasure.
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| I don't see referring to someone as being obtuse as an insult, but I wholeheartedly apologise if it has been taken that way.
On this occasion we should agree to disagree as it seems to me that we are looking at the same situation from opposite angles. As it turns out I couldn't care less whether wigan have paid £1,000,000, half a dozen meat pies, a packet of Uncle Joes Mintballs, got him for free or are being paid in lamb chops to take Tomkins off NZ Warriors hands. He is still the worst fullback in SL based on current form, and the biggest waste of salary cap so far this season.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"I don't see referring to someone as being obtuse as an insult, but I wholeheartedly apologise if it has been taken that way.
On this occasion we should agree to disagree as it seems to me that we are looking at the same situation from opposite angles. As it turns out I couldn't care less whether wigan have paid £1,000,000, half a dozen meat pies, a packet of Uncle Joes Mintballs, got him for free or are being paid in lamb chops to take Tomkins off NZ Warriors hands. He is still the worst fullback in SL based on current form, and the biggest waste of salary cap so far this season.'"
No offence and we've found common ground about how much or how many pies.
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| Cat's are pretty good ain't they
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| Sure are.
Defence very impressive
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| Saints lost this because of the effort they put into our game, Eddie mentioned it at least twice.
Yes because flying over 2weeks in a row takes nothing out of you ??
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| Cats very good and stains poor. I still can't believe we lost to that stains side last week.
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| How many times between them did Hemmings and O'Conor mention that Saints beat us last week..?
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| The top 4 could be 4 points clear of the rest of the field after this weekend. Ri think that would be a fair reflection of the best sides so far. Wigan have not been hugely impressive but they're still good and have done it tough so far, not sure what has happened to weirdness they were impressive until Brown got injured.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Cats very good and stains poor. I still can't believe we lost to that stains side last week.'"
This.
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| Quote ="MikeyWire"How many times between them did Hemmings and O'Conor mention that Saints beat us last week..?'"
Also this.
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| Quote ="CW8"The top 4 could be 4 points clear of the rest of the field after this weekend. Ri think that would be a fair reflection of the best sides so far. Wigan have not been hugely impressive but they're still good and have done it tough so far, not sure what has happened to weirdness they were impressive until Brown got injured.'"
Watch out for Cas as well. Injury hit so far but they're a really decent side when everyone's fit.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Cats very good and stains poor. I still can't believe we lost to that stains side last week.'"
We didn't play with any intensity.
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| Quote ="BuckleyStreetWire"Watch out for Cas as well. Injury hit so far but they're a really decent side when everyone's fit.'"
That's true, the more I think about it the more difficult it seems for Huddersfield and Leeds to make the 8. I think they will both miss out even if both win this weekend.
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