Get lost.

Anyway, I think some posters are being far too generous. If Celtic had scored at the end (and they could have) there'd have been a six-page thread entitled "Shocking" or "Pathetic" and with some justification.

Have no idea why Briers is getting so much praise: he basically didn't want to know in the first half. Getting another rocket from Smith just about did the trick, but it all shows again why we need to get rid of the lazy get.

The Andersons are stealing a living.

Our ball control has been terrible all season and we have no kicking game to speak of. Higham is not nearly as effective without being spelled with Clarke.

I thought Wood, Rauhihi and Johnson had decent games. Morley was much better but, for God's sake, let's find a proper captain. There's just no-one taking command out there.

Sadly, today's game was like so many before. We still don't have enough players with enough drive to go on and spank a team. Our players think they can cruise through and let someone else finish a game off, and we end up being dragged into these dogfights by average but committed sides.

Agreed. I don't think we will miss Morley too much next season to be honest.

I agree with that, I came to the game today and I don't think either team were great but Celtic seemed to for the most part of the game have that extra edge and probably did deserve the win but for the last 5 mins you managed to show some passion that had been lacking and drag the win back.

I wouldn't say it was anything to get excited about though really and certainly shows what a long way you have to go before you are close to your potential.

Anyone know why Clarke wasn't in the team?

PJ seemed to step up a gear and came in field looking for work when the team was struggling. Just exactly as a senior pro should.

King blotted his copybook by flying out of the line and gifting Celtic a score. Persistent bad habit.

I would drop Anderson. Both Mitchell and Harrison in recent weeks have really pressed a claim for first team and Super Benny is back next week anyway.

I thought Celtic were really well drilled and very committed. However, their fitness seemed to fade rapidly after about 65 minutes.

Exactly the Smellies haven't even been close to filling our away end...

Yep, agreed. We would have gone on to lose that by 2-3 scores.

poor effort imo lee mitchel mom hands down think morley is fat=st enough to be a

winger

King had to do that, there was a man over on his wing and he went for the intercept thinking it was going to be a cut-out pass to their winger, can't blame him for doing that. If he would have stayed in the line the pass would surely have come and therefore a walk in for their winger, he still would have got the blame by some fans on here.

Christ, I can't believe what I read on here sometimes.

Lets get rid of the most experienced player on the team in terms of playing at the highest level.

Oh, aye. Cracking idea.

Is that the try where he scored through the hole Riley and Mitchell left open?

Thought so.

Not sure who didn't move across but that's the gap i was on about

I think you are misreading his comments. We don't have a 'lay the law down' type captain. Morley is a lead by example type, we need somebody to compliment him.

lets get a poll going
WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE WARRINGTON CAPTAIN

Me, personally, i think Morley
1. Captain of Great Britain
2. Wealth of Experience in SL and NRL

Nice to see that Widnes fans have let the decisions of last season go at last.....not.

Went up for the game today and must say I thought we had a chance but not to be. Thanks to the two or three thousand fans surrounding us by the halfway line for making us feel welcome (even when we were winning

) and good luck for the rest of the season.

You might not be able to believe what you read, but it might help if you did actually bother to read the comments.

I am happy with Morley's place in the team, although I do have the odd problem with his game. It's his captaincy that I take issue with: I just think there are very few props who make good captains (in the on-field management role) and I think that's one aspect we really lack.

Widnes are the 'bitters' of rugby league

they probably still moan about the 1950 challenge cup ref and linesman

Also, it is difficult to captain a side if you on the bench.

Quite.

I seem to remember hearing one of the people who went to the SqB meeting (it might have been you GDMM) saying that Riley was increasingly taking the lead in bossing the defence about. That's something I'd like to see more of, and you could see he was trying to do just that today, but we were still ending up with a pretty lopsided defensive line whenever CC made a break.

I thought Riley was excelent against HKR but was not impressed today.

3 mistakes turned that game today Riley 2 L Anderson 1

By his own admission (at the SB meeting), he needs to be more vocal. It is something the coaching team are working on. I don't think it is fair to expect to drop into a position and have all the facets immediately.

It's a moot point anyway, as Mathers will be here imminently.

I wouldn't expect him to have all the facets, which is why I'd be looking towards someone like Higham/Clarke/Gleeson/Monaghan/Briers to be doing their bit as well.

Don't send me to sleep on a Sunday night contemplating Mathers. Nightmare-tastic.

Plenty of good captains around the world play in the pack and have extended spells on the bench, Ruben Wiki did it for years for both club and country. Steve Price is another that managed it well at the Bulldogs where he took over from Darren Britt (Also another forward that was captain) and now he does the same at the Warriors, i`m sure Tallis captained Australia and Queensland.

Morley is a player that only knows one way to play and thats by giving 100% in each game, that doesn`t make him a natural captain though and to me he isn`t vocal enough to be a leader. Take Gorden Tallis and Andy Farrell as examples, both those had the skill of being able to communicate with stern words and both were very vocal and came across as natural and very respected leaders.

To me Mozza doesn`t come across as a natural leader as he seems a bit reserved when it comes to a vocal dressing down when the situation calls, the likes of Lee Briers wouldn`t come across the type of person you would respect getting a verbal dressing down from, a captain to me is a skilled role and i don`t think we have a natural in our club like Leeds have in Sinfield and Saints have in Cunningham just to use 2 examples from over here as leaders that drive their teams.

Fair points. The obvious candidates are Monaghan or Clarke. Both like to talk, which is a good start.

We need a modern day Mike Gregory, someone who is respected in the game and isn`t affraid to bark out the orders where most importantly the players take note and listen, to be honest i don`t think many would take Monaghan serious as a captain after all the facial blaming he has done in the past, you know the look i mean where he stares at someone who has made a mistake as if to say your cr@p you are and i`m too good for all this.

If i remember right, isn`t Petrol Seventycentsalitre the new Penrith captain ? Thats just another possible example of a forward thats a captain at the top level.

To be honest i think we need to bring in a captain as its such a key role, a high class player thats respected where if he speaks the only thing you could do is to stand up and take notice.