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| Quote ="just_browny"The only positive is that we have already moved to sort out the coaching situation and the full clear out has already happened; there won't be any coaching deadwood knocking around the new lot can get to work from today.
It would be daft to think it was just a coaching issue though. All of my worst fears were realised last night: one side playing like they had nothing to lose, with a clear discernible gameplan and a raucous crowd backing them; the other side playing like they had a turtle's head in their drawers with their fans stood scowling. Recipe for disaster and our team wasn't good enough to refocus when we fell behind; instead we just saw players flying in trying to find short cuts and the whole team seemingly losing the ability to even stand up and put a rugby ball on the ground without fumbling it. Ok I will stop, I am getting angry again.
Actually there's a second positive: some old friends on here have finally remembered their log in details.'"
Yep ... Oh the forum! Perhaps our "fans" don't help the recipe either.
Anyway let's see if it makes me feel better. Rubbish, sack everyone, totally inept, rubbish, stealing a living, sack the cleaning staff, rubbish ... Cullen out, Smith out, Price out, Powell out ... I've been waiting for this moment to arrive and I feel much better now.
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| Decent man by all accounts, but not a top class coach - especially given the resources he has had at his disposal.
I had real concerns when he was first appointed.
The half a dozen really top notch performances in 3 years doesn't hack it.
We had long periods of woeful attack in which the structures didn't seem to be there.
Players must take some responsibility too, but enough have been chosen by Shaun Wane for the England squad to suggest that in the main it's not a player problem,
(But last night you can't blame Price for the 20 odd dropped balls).
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| Quote ="fez1"
(But last night you can't blame Price for the 20 odd dropped balls).'"
They played as if they have the weight of the world on them. You can see it in their eyes.
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| I got slaughtered on here a year ago for saying that Karl doesn’t care and he’s only interested in the commercial/business side and not what happens on the pitch. A ruthless and strong CEO would have fired Price after we whimpered out of the play offs in 2019 having lost 7/9 games I think in the league. You only have to spend 5 minutes in the blokes company to recognise that. He was carrying water for us 5 years ago. Crowds poor, results abysmal, wasting money on crap players. How is this fraud still in our CEO?
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"They played as if they have the weight of the world on them. You can see it in their eyes.'"
Christ, my heart bleeds for them.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"I got slaughtered on here a year ago for saying that Karl doesn’t care and he’s only interested in the commercial/business side and not what happens on the pitch. A ruthless and strong CEO would have fired Price after we whimpered out of the play offs in 2019 having lost 7/9 games I think in the league. You only have to spend 5 minutes in the blokes company to recognise that. He was carrying water for us 5 years ago. Crowds poor, results abysmal, wasting money on crap players. How is this fraud still in our CEO?'"
I am as gutted as anyone, I took my daughter’s boyfriend to his first RL game last night…what an advert. However I just don’t get your hatred for KF. Whoever was responsible for that shambles it was not KF.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"They played as if they have the weight of the world on them. You can see it in their eyes.'"
It's a coaches job to give them a Platform to express themselves, we have been crying out for that for 3 years. KFP has allowed Price to waste the squad for 3 seasons, I half feel sorry for price, without covid and financial struggles we may have paid him off a while back and put both him and the supporters out of their misery.
That said we didn't need to spend extra on a new coach if we had fired him off we could have appointed Anderson or Henderson until the end of the season instead of doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result come the playoffs.
What does it say to the playing squad if they see a coach staying on until his contract expires despite pathetic performance after pathetic performance. We haven't challenged for the LLS or the superleague Crown for 3 seasons and the last 2 challenge cup exits were just as bad.
A higher expectation needs to be set from the top, starting with a proper CEO.
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| Every cloud has a silver lining. At least its freed up the 9th Oct for decorating/ gardening/ shopping.
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| Quote ="silver2"Every cloud has a silver lining. At least its freed up the 9th Oct for decorating/ gardening/ shopping.'"
Don't be telling my Mrs that, as far as she is concerned we are still in it.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I am as gutted as anyone, I took my daughter’s boyfriend to his first RL game last night…what an advert. However I just don’t get your hatred for KF. Whoever was responsible for that shambles it was not KF.'"
Why isn’t KF responsible? He employed the coach who has produced the same bottle job shambolic performance in the play offs for the 3rd year running. He even gave the same coach a contract extension. Price is doing his best he’s just a crap coach. The whole of Super League know that apart from KF it seems.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Why isn’t KF responsible? He employed the coach who has produced the same bottle job shambolic performance in the play offs for the 3rd year running. He even gave the same coach a contract extension. Price is doing his best he’s just a crap coach. The whole of Super League know that apart from KF it seems.'"
Even Brian Carney waded in after Price's sign off interview. Gist of it was "thank god we won't ever have to interview that dull b*****ard again"
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Not as far as the Mata’utia/Mamo swap is concerned.
Mata’utia is a decent centre, but he has some shocking games. He offers very little in attack - not much pace, can’t feed the winger and usually cuts inside even when there is space out wide.
Holmes is different - when he”s on the field he’s a very good player - hits hard in defence and runs good lines with good footwork in attack. If (and it’s a big IF) he stays fit, he’d get in any team in SL.'"
Christ, wait until you see one-trick Jake and his turnstile defence....
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| Isn't the coach appointed by the Board, not the CEO?
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| Quote ="Douglas Black"Isn't the coach appointed by the Board, not the CEO?'"
Probably. I'd imagine it's advised by its CEO, who has gone through the CV's and done the interviewing, though?
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| No, I imagine that at least one or two of the Directors would sit on the appointment panel.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"I got slaughtered on here a year ago for saying that Karl doesn’t care and he’s only interested in the commercial/business side and not what happens on the pitch. A ruthless and strong CEO would have fired Price after we whimpered out of the play offs in 2019 having lost 7/9 games I think in the league. You only have to spend 5 minutes in the blokes company to recognise that. He was carrying water for us 5 years ago. Crowds poor, results abysmal, wasting money on crap players. How is this fraud still in our CEO?[/
Over the last three years one of them most honest and true statements of how the wire is run on this forum !!!
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| Quote ="Douglas Black"Isn't the coach appointed by the Board, not the CEO?'"
Karl went to Aus and interviewed Price then advised to the owners that he be appointed and was the best man for the job.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Karl went to Aus and interviewed Price then advised to the owners that he be appointed and was the best man for the job.'"
Wasn’t he the 3rd best man as the other 2 he went to talk with rejected us?
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| Quote ="Douglas Black"Isn't the coach appointed by the Board, not the CEO?'"
It is a fair point. The CEO is on the Board but there has to be some collective responsibility about major decisions so when me and others on here are moaning about KF really he's just a proxy for the Board.
KF has made himself a lightning rod because he's the one who talks publicly and some of his statements have backfired. When every year, your line is "last year was not acceptable for a club of our ambition and we must do better", there comes a point when people ask who is responsible for us doing better and why are we in the same position year after year.
In fairness, as Cat often notes, the embarrassing attempts to wind up rival clubs were a thing of the past, KF hasn't been doing that for a year or so now.
I don't have a personal vendetta against KF I just don't think this job is the right one for him. When he's been on the radio talking about the state of the game and where the game should go in future, I think he speaks very well. Much better than some of the unimaginative suits we've had at the RFL over the years. He has passion for the game and ideas to make the product better, if they said KF was leaving Wire to take up a significant position in the RFL I'd welcome it and think he would be good.
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| Quote ="CW8"Don't be telling my Mrs that, as far as she is concerned we are still in it.'"
Are you donning your P&B and going out on one of a Thursday/Friday/Sunday, each week, until were well into December?
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Are you donning your P&B and going out on one of a Thursday/Friday/Sunday, each week, until were well into December?'"
Wait until the fella who nips around his, while he's at the match, tells her that Wire haven't been playing... There will be absolute hell to pay
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| Surely the CEO has to have some credit for pulling off the Inglis and Williams signings, signing up Ashton, King, Clark and Currie to new contracts etc
Okay, things haven't worked out how we'd like (again) but there's plenty of groundwork done.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Surely the CEO has to have some credit for pulling off the Inglis and Williams signings, signing up Ashton, King, Clark and Currie to new contracts etc
Okay, things haven't worked out how we'd like (again) but there's plenty of groundwork done.'"
Inglis signing, why? It was an awful signing.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Inglis signing, why? It was an awful signing.'"
Only in hindsight, could have been fantastic.
Like bringing & retaining Widdop - sure it's not quite all worked out, but you've got to give the CEO & board credit for some of the quality signings we've enjoyed (at times).
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| Also Tyrone Roberts in that case then, it didn't work out but gotta give the board credit because it could have been great if he'd won MoS.
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