Is there any confirmation of how many would definitely take up the offer of a place in SL under these circumstances (they could change) and at this time?
Teams may have ambitions for SL but might feel compelled to wait until they are ready rather than scramble and struggle effectively putting them back in their planning.
The problem is time but you could make a case for certainly 4 teams possibly 6 and ideally you'd have a play off at least an attempt at meritocracy imo

You'd get plenty of Cumbrians arguing Barrow wasn't in Cumbria, and it's quite a long way from the Cumbrian rugby heartlands, but I'd agree, a Cumbrian team would be a boost to an area that traditionally produces it's fair share of players. It would probably need to be based around Whitehaven & Workington, who obviously have a traditional rivalry but you would hope would come together under a Cumbrian banner. A merger wouldn't work, but possibly still having Workington & Whitehaven in the lower leagues with a professional Cumbrian team might?

It would need a lot of money thrown at it, new stadium, and the population isn't huge around there to bring in the 6k fans minimum you need to compete, 50k between the two towns - it would be difficult to sustain I think.

I'd love to bring Toulouse in under a 2 year franchise. But where would that then leave the Championship? Would the backers and fans of Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax etc etc be interested in the Championship if there was a closed shop? Especially given they are likely to get reduced funding in 2021, would it be fair to relegate Hull KR / Wakey if Toulouse finished bottom. The ideal answer is a 14 team franchise comp with plans in place to expand - but it feels like we are further away from that than ever given the state of finances currently. Rugby League is at a difficult point at the moment

It's an important point, I think the likes of Toulouse, Leigh, possibly London through David Hughes have the backing to spend to cap, but they are seriously behind the 8 ball when it comes to recruitment, and by the time SL kicks off next year, much of their current squad wont have played a game for 12 months - so they are bound to start slow which will heap the pressure on. Then they have a big financial outlay in 2021 with the most likely outcome a relegation the following year, so the break up of a squad, it could absolutely set them back.

Featherstone I'm not sure, but Bradford, Newcastle & York just need to keep growing from where they are. It's too soon for them I think.

The focus, pre COVID, was on growth. In particular by tapping into the potential of overseas markets (France, Canada, USA).

Now we are in survival mode so a 12th team has to provide the top flight with a net gain. That means a club with an established, but possibly dormant, fan base and who are prepared to take less of the TV pot meaning that they need a wealthy backer. Bradford could potentially attract the fans but, if the fail after 2 years (and they probably would), then it would destroy all the rebuilding that has been going on for a few years.

All these posts simply reinforcing my earlier argument on this forum, that relegation is an outdated system & that we need to change to 3-5 yearly licensing system, allowing both new and existing SL clubs the certainty to be able to plan properly for the future.

A licensing syatem is fine, but there have to be conditions and failure to meet them must result in expulsion. One of the conditions should be mandatory reserve team, the other should be scrutiny of annual accounts and the other should be mandatory minimum spend on marketing.

Otherwise, clubs simply tread water safe fron relegation but with no desire or intent to improve themselves or the competition.

We did licensing already. People got fed up and complained there were to many dead rubbers, so they got rid of it, and if we reintroduce it the same will happen.

Toulouse or London for me. I still think we need a Southern based club, but Toulouse would help the game in France.
I know Fev are a traditional team but I don’t see what they add to SL. Bratfurt have been in administration rather too often for my liking. Leigh, similar to Fev.

How are you comparing Leigh to Fev?

Traditional team, not sure what they would add to SL. I have nothing against Leigh but still think we need to expand. I realise this is hurtful and if our roles were reversed I would be outraged. Sorry.

The game is on its knees, and you want to expand? Do you know what mess TWP have just caused? BTW - Your post is not hurtful at all,it's plain daft.

I'm not advocating Toulouse over Leigh but to use your insightful comment comparing Toulouse to Toronto is plain daft.

Do they play Rugby League in the south of France is it 3500 miles away would they have a ready made local derby?

Im not sure how the TV cake would be cut with then in compared to you or London and I get that you are a well supported club that brings plenty of fans to perhaps compensate for a reduced share but Toulouse isn't Toronto (rightly kicked out imo) and if it was a short term fix before we hopefully return to some form of normality why not take a bold gamble?

This is very different to Toronto. I’d say Catalan have been a success since their inclusion, the reason that worked and Toronto didn’t (yet) is because the roots were already there. Toulouse will grow in the SL competition, and I think we would see more French players playing the game at a professional level over time. They also I believe have everything in place to give it a shot.

On Leigh’s side, it would probably be an easier and safer decision to put them in in some regards. There is a money man there, they will pay to the cap most likely and away fans will certainly be up, especially for the NW teams, so there is a more obvious financial benefit to having Leigh in the comp.

For me Leigh have had a couple of goes at SL and not made it, I’d like Toulouse to have a shot, that’s nothing against Leigh, I just see more potential for Rugby League if we offer it to Toulouse. The possibility of a French TV deal, no matter how small should be incentive enough.

For me the order is Toulouse - London - Leigh.

I think whatever we do we need to first ask the question 'is it sustainable ?'. There is no point in promoting a club to SL only to see them drop out one or two years later. For me, that means

A strong financial backer
A good quality stadium of around 15,000 located centrally to a large population area
Two - three years guaranteed in SL
Feeder clubs and a youth academy already established

I fully understand that Championship supporters wan't their team to get into SL, but the chances of them staying there need to be reasonably high. And there is little enough money in SL for us to squander it with a poorly argued case for inclusion, regardless of how passionate the supporters may be or how strong their current team may be.

This is the problem, there is no ideal solution to this. Licensing gives better financial security and you have a lever to drive clubs in the right way. As others have said make it a requirement for each club to run its own scholarship / academy programme and a reserves team. Make growth of the local amateur game a requirement, minimum salary cap spend etc etc. It also gives clubs financial security to plan for the future. BUT you are correct, there will always be a sense of dead rubbers from some games as the season progresses. There’s no real way round that, unless franchises were taken away for consistent bottom of the table league positions.

On P&R there is excitement right to the last weekend - I’m sure sky would prefer it, so there is a strong case to run that model if your biggest financial partner would prefer it. However for me it promotes short term thinking of teams like Salford not running an academy set up and I don’t believe the game is strong enough to support those clubs dropping down to the Championship. The relegation of teams can cause serious financial problems, usually meaning the team has to go part time - that isn’t good for development.

I’d much rather a P&R model, I just don’t think the game is strong enough to support it. So in the medium term I’d advocate a format that allowed the teams the chance to stabilise from Covid and grow. Review after a few years and remove those that are bottom of the pile each year if it is happening.

The strategic thinking behind licensing is that teams should be added every few years, to the point we can support two professional competitions, a SL 1 and SL 2 if you like. But we are a long way from that. So let’s look to add a new club to the top table when finances (TV deal) allows it.

In post apolyptical World my preference would be a 14 team league based on merit obviously on the basis that its sustainable and so is the league below so that we can have a sport with jeopardy without the need for loop fixtures and convoluted structural changes every other year.

Toulouse Leigh and London would fit that model

I respect opinions, however, Would the team who get admitted to SL be relegated if they finished bottom? Or will they get exemption? If there was relegation, then Toulouse are welcome to be admitted. After saying that,if there was exemption from relegation, then Leigh never got that in 2005 & 2017 so if that's the case, then I would strongly want Leigh in. Bearing in mind,if the 11th team was relegated next season, you never know,Wire could have a bad season.

Or it could be, we're alright.

Licensing, when done properly with specific minimum requirements in place, would actually make the league more equal in the long term and your 'dead rubbers' would become less frequent.

All P&R does is encourage mediocrity, as the majority of clubs just set a target of doing the bare minimum (staying up) and so begin to 'target' certain games to win, so creating those dead rubbers you mention further down the line.

Heres a specific minimum requirement I'd stipulate dont finish 12th

You ask how I compare Fev to Leigh and then you compare Toronto with Toulouse?
I would allow 2 year without relegation only because of the mess left by COVID. You correctly state your team weren’t given that luxury previously but these are very different times.

Which creates mediocrity, because half the league just target 11th.....

It's more like the teams that have just come up in the last couple of years who set the target of just staying up (and they are the ones who will probably be in the relegation battle anyway). The majority of the league chases the playoffs and the playoff race is live till quite a long way into the season.

=#FF0000I did,and you said - Traditional team, not sure what they would add to SL, =#FF0000but are you sure what Toulouse will add? Now you say give a 2 years grace because of the mess left by COVID. What as Covid got to do with it? The mess we are in was due to the phoney TWP. Iv'e nothing against Toulouse, and if they are fairly,and justifiably admitted to SL, then good luck to them. Anyway, Leigh are building a very good squad for next season,and if we are admitted to SL, or have to earn promotion, then i'm quite happy either way.

Here is our squad so far with more to come.

BACKS
Iain Thornley - re-signed for 2021
Junior Sau - re-signed for 2021
Ryan Shaw - re-signed for 2021

HALFS
Blake Wallace - New signing for 2021 from Toronto
Jamie Ellis - New signing for 2021 from Hull KR
Ryan Brierley - New signing for 2021 from Hull KR

FORWARDS
Mark Ioane - re-signed for 2021
Jordan Thompson - re-signed for 2021
Tom Spencer - re-signed for 2021
Alex Gerrard - re-signed for 2021
Nathan Mason - re-signed for 2021
Liam Hood - re-signed for 2021
Ben Hellewell - re-signed for 2021
Matty Wilde - re-signed for 2021
Adam Walker - New signing for 2021 from Salford
Matty Gee - New signing for 2021 from Hull KR
Nathaniel Peteru - New signing for 2021 from Hull KR
James Bell - New signing for 2021 from Toulouse Olympique

RUMOURS
Kristen Inu - from Salford
Matty Russell - from Toronto - Just been confirmed.
Albert Kelly - from Hull FC

Think we'll have to agree to disagree i think far more teams target a play off place

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They might publicly say that, but, realistically , staying in the league and afloat is success for many.

And what's successful about getting a play off place?.. let's be honest, recent history tells us only 3 clubs can win the competition anyway. The rest are just also rans.