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| Quote ="Wirefan"Watson Boas
Anthony Thackerey
Stanislas Robin
Connor Robinson
...all better than Patton and that's just from the championship..'"
Jesus H Christ, thank God you're nowhere near our recruitment team.
Whilst I'm not a Patton fan he is by far a better option than any of these. I actually thought prior to Saints and the Easter period that he had generally been doing what was required from him. If anything he has moved away from that limited role and errors and costly penalties have increased.
Let's be clear he isn't the Messiah but if people think Anthony Thackeray is a better option then we may as well pack in now. |
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| Quote ="Wirefan"Watson Boas
Anthony Thackerey
Stanislas Robin
Connor Robinson
...all better than Patton and that's just from the championship..'"
No idea whether they are better or not to be honest, but are they available? Why would any club allow their key half back to leave the club for 3 months until Brown is hopefully fit again?
We have an injury to a key half back, Patton is back up to that half back, we just have to deal with it unfortunately. No pots are won in April, as long as Brown is fit for the final third of the season, Patton should remain in place for me. Plus the first team exposure can only put him in a better place for when he is again covering half back next season should (when) Austin / Widdop pick up an injury or suspension. |
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| Quote ="Wirefan"Watson Boas
Anthony Thackerey
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...all better than Patton and that's just from the championship..'"
Oh my.
You must really hate Patton |
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Jesus H Christ, thank God you're nowhere near our recruitment team.
Whilst I'm not a Patton fan he is by far a better option than any of these. I actually thought prior to Saints and the Easter period that he had generally been doing what was required from him. If anything he has moved away from that limited role and errors and costly penalties have increased.
Let's be clear he isn't the Messiah but if people think Anthony Thackeray is a better option then we may as well pack in now.'"
I think you've missed the tongue in cheek point I was making.. |
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| Quote ="Wirefan"I think you've missed the tongue in cheek point I was making..'"
Oh yeah, it was so obviously tongue in cheek. |
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Bottom line is the British game isn't producing decent half backs anymore, and the ones that do emerge (Patton, Richardson recently, Myler, Robinson a little further back) seem.to hit a plateau quickly and fail to kick on.
It doesn't seem to happpen in other positions, or at least not to the same extent. Maybe it's coaching, absence of an apprenticeship via reserve team football or the ludicrous werewolf-esque face fuzz that seems so popular among the playmaker fraternity.
George Williams is the most natural British half we have seen for a while, and he has spent the last 18 months going backwards; be interesting to see how we goes in the NRL.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Jesus H Christ, thank God you're nowhere near our recruitment team.
Whilst I'm not a Patton fan he is by far a better option than any of these. I actually thought prior to Saints and the Easter period that he had generally been doing what was required from him. If anything he has moved away from that limited role and errors and costly penalties have increased.
Let's be clear he isn't the Messiah but if people think Anthony Thackeray is a better option then we may as well pack in now.'"
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"Bottom line is the British game isn't producing decent half backs anymore, and the ones that do emerge (Patton, Richardson recently, Myler, Robinson a little further back) seem.to hit a plateau quickly and fail to kick on.
It doesn't seem to happpen in other positions, or at least not to the same extent. Maybe it's coaching, absence of an apprenticeship via reserve team football or the ludicrous werewolf-esque face fuzz that seems so popular among the playmaker fraternity.
George Williams is the most natural British half we have seen for a while, and he has spent the last 18 months going backwards; be interesting to see how we goes in the NRL.'"
This has been the case for a while now, we went from Gregory, Edwards, Goulding, to Long, Briers and that was it.
For a while people used to say, it's because the British game is obsessed with producing athletes, and young lads with talent who aren't the fastest or most physical don't get a look in. But the reality is those lads would get smashed, and the same happens in Australia too. The Aussies and Kiwis produce a lot of good halfbacks but they are all superb athletes too. Owen Craigie was a ballplaying talent who lacked on the physical side and he ended up seen as a bit of a joke figure. |
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I think it can be traced back to 1993 and the rule changes which changed the emphasis to ruck control rather than out and out creative ability.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-ev ... zqw8y.html
The nature of the game completely changed.
[i1993 gang tackling and unlimited interchange led to the 10 metre rule and with it the emphasis on controlling the speed of the play-the-ball as defences struggled to get back onside and attacking teams tried to take advantage or win a penalty from under pressure referees.
In the past decade, wrestling has become endemic as defenders firstly began "dancing" with the ball carrier to hold him on his feet and attacks countered with the "surrender" tackle, in which the ball carrier tried to get to the ground as soon as contact is made in order to effect a fast play the ball.
"The defenders and ball carrier are conducting a private war, with the defensive unit specifically holding," Broughton said. "Attack counters this with the surrender tackle and this is then countered by the grapple, crusher and chicken wing – all to punish the defender for diving at the ground."
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-ev ... zqw8y.html
The nature of the game completely changed.
[i1993 gang tackling and unlimited interchange led to the 10 metre rule and with it the emphasis on controlling the speed of the play-the-ball as defences struggled to get back onside and attacking teams tried to take advantage or win a penalty from under pressure referees.
In the past decade, wrestling has become endemic as defenders firstly began "dancing" with the ball carrier to hold him on his feet and attacks countered with the "surrender" tackle, in which the ball carrier tried to get to the ground as soon as contact is made in order to effect a fast play the ball.
"The defenders and ball carrier are conducting a private war, with the defensive unit specifically holding," Broughton said. "Attack counters this with the surrender tackle and this is then countered by the grapple, crusher and chicken wing – all to punish the defender for diving at the ground."
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I think his kicking game is coming on - at least two tries scored from them today.
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| Quote ="Robwire"I think his kicking game is coming on - at least two tries scored from them today.'"
Yet his defence continues to be shocking. Also when there was a break on and he was in the clear he hadn’t a clue what do do and instead got smashed!
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Yeah, he’s not quite got that instinct to make a where a split second can make the difference.
He can put a decent tackle in. And I was impressed when he tried to rush round the scrum last week, even if it didn’t come off.
There’s areas of his game to work on. But we’re comfortably in second with him. Whether I’m still happy at the business end, we’ll see.
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| Quote ="Robwire"Yeah, he’s not quite got that instinct to make a where a split second can make the difference.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head. Some would argue that this is exactly what you want from a pro RL halfback playing for, arguably, one of the top 3 teams in northern hemisphere rugby league. The RL half back instinct. If you don't have that you shouldn't really be in that position. We are "making do" with Patton. I'm pretty sure those who don't rate Patton will be completely vindicated when he is moved on to a lesser club, as he sure as hell won't be moving on to a Wigan or Saints or NRL as a halfback when he finishes with us. |
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| Quote ="Robwire"Yeah, he’s not quite got that instinct to make a where a split second can make the difference.
He can put a decent tackle in. And I was impressed when he tried to rush round the scrum last week, even if it didn’t come off.
There’s areas of his game to work on. But we’re comfortably in second with him. Whether I’m still happy at the business end, we’ll see.'"
I know there are a fair few out there that are not Kevin Brown fans, I don't suppose I am. However come the business end of the season I really hope he is involved instead of Patton. Browns defence is a million miles better and he actually has a clue with ball in hand. Would immediately improve the side. |
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| Quote ="bbfc00"I know there are a fair few out there that are not Kevin Brown fans, I don't suppose I am. However come the business end of the season I really hope he is involved instead of Patton. Browns defence is a million miles better and he actually has a clue with ball in hand. Would immediately improve the side.'"
Started running again apparently. Don't think he is too far off. |
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I'm a bit concerned that Brown and Austin could end up getting in each others way given the similarity in style (if not execution).
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"Started running again apparently. Don't think he is too far off.'"
He himself said July. If he is ahead of that it will be good. |
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I'm a bit concerned that Brown and Austin could end up getting in each others way given the similarity in style (if not execution).'"
Fair point but given Brown's experience, and also return from a serious injury, he'll know how to (and be happy to) give Austin the space he needs I think. |
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Listen to 5live Cullen's podcast. He explains the difference of fit and match fit...and how long it takes to from either side of fit....to reach match fit.
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I think you are being a little too sentimental regarding Cullen's comment's
I understand the difference between fit and match fit and maybe a game or two at Rochdale may put him in good stead for the back end of the season.
As much as i admire Cullen, he took us as far as he was capable of but as much as i love the guy he never did much when he left us did he!
He turned out to be a better pundit than a coach.
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Brown is scruffy round the edges but he can produce results. Do we think he’s enough to give us the edge over Saints in a final?
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I'd be very surprised if Brown gets into the team.
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Targeted big time tonight massive weak link in defence
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"Targeted big time tonight massive weak link in defence'"
Same as last week and the week before but never mind he will be banging that drum anytime now! |
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Bit harsh this, only saints have a better third choice half, they have had the luxury of not needing theirs as often as well. He has limitations and realistically I think if by the end of the season he doesnt address them then he probably never will. However he does do some very good things things and come up with some very nice assists.
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