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| Poor management throughout the club to let it get into this state ,men in expensive suits & flat cap ideas trying to run a business. No wonder Draper jumped on his bike.
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| Quote ="ninearches"Poor management throughout the club to let it get into this state ,men in expensive suits & flat cap ideas trying to run a business. No wonder Draper jumped on his bike.'"
Maybe it all makes sense Draper leaving. Did he walk before he was pushed as he wasn't prepared to sit back and wait for club to wallow in its own muck.
On other hand, it is known he was happy to spend the clubs money, and all we got out of it was a new badge.
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| IMO things have been allowed to drift and go stale at Wire. Failure in the GF last year was the signal to bring in a new man and some fresh ideas to take over from Smith and Agar. Smith's been around too long.
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| Draper probably left as he could see that Smith has too tight a grip on the club and therefore would struggle to get too many ideas through?
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| Quote ="Smith's Brolly"
On other hand, it is known he was happy to spend the clubs money, and all we got out of it was a new badge.'"
And fan engagement.
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What is odd is that 2 years ago the club appointed Draper because we needed a world class sports administrator who had contacts through the world of sport and politics, together with expertise and experience to handle budgets upwards of 8 figures. To re-model our offering and engage with the support base to build a world brand. Whereas now we need a novice lower/middle level manager.
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| Something definitely wrong at the Wire .
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| Quote ="Wires71"And fan engagement.
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What is odd is that 2 years ago the club appointed Draper because we needed a world class sports administrator who had contacts through the world of sport and politics, together with expertise and experience to handle budgets upwards of 8 figures. To re-model our offering and engage with the support base to build a world brand. Whereas now we need a novice lower/middle level manager.'"
Memberships are season tickets by any other name. Surveys have gone with the wind.
The website is better, but my dog colouring in the floor with a crayon would have been an improvement. As for social media & we wouldn't be privy to an increased improvement in cost per click, can only judge in engagement, and you can hashtag whatever you want, if we're losing, it's going to be negative responses. Only thing that get positive responses seem to be picking the bands.
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| Quote ="Smith's Brolly"Memberships are season tickets by any other name. Surveys have gone with the wind.
The website is better, but my dog colouring in the floor with a crayon would have been an improvement. As for social media & we wouldn't be privy to an increased improvement in cost per click, can only judge in engagement, and you can hashtag whatever you want, if we're losing, it's going to be negative responses. Only thing that get positive responses seem to be picking the bands.'"
I am only pointing out what he would cite as the achievements. Previous to Draper the club didn't actively harvest information on it's fan base. I certainly didn't receive targeted emails. I think he improved engagement.
No surprise after he left our "honours" board on the website doesn't go beyond 2015. I mean is it that hard?
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| My suspicion is that the RFL wanted Draper, but clearly he had no experience within the game of RL. So... give him a job with Wires for a year before bringing him in.
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| There's a video published today from Schoey where he makes a direct but public message for players at Warrington....
Laying the blame for this demise directly at them. Not taking pride in their shirt. He makes the prospect of the £1m game very real to them.
I'm unable to copy the link. It's not short of what they should hear... If TS and Agar can't tell them... Schoey will.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I am only pointing out what he would cite as the achievements. Previous to Draper the club didn't actively harvest information on it's fan base. I certainly didn't receive targeted emails. I think he improved engagement.
No surprise after he left our "honours" board on the website doesn't go beyond 2015. I mean is it that hard?'"
Fair points (lets be fair you're usually on same side as me). I suppose all those legacies fall away if they're not maintained. Certainly he refreshed things and brought in things we should already had ie databases of useful/beneficial customer details).
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"www.propersport.tv/tlt/ep-21-17
Here it is...'"
Good stuff. Such a contrast to the Excuse Meister. Who is closest to the truth?
Quote ="Tony Smith""The thing that really hurt us was that they had five seven-tackle re-starts and, while that doesn't sound much, throw a penalty or two on top of that and it starts to mount"
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Quote ="Garry Schofield""Absolutely pathetic"'"
Quote ="Garry Schofield""Attitude is a disgrace"'"
Quote ="Garry Schofield""Feeling sorry for themselves"'"
Quote ="Garry Schofield""No desire for jersey"'"
Quote ="Garry Schofield""They did what no sportsman should ever do - give in"'"
Quote ="Garry Schofield""No purpose or leadership"'"
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| Quote ="Wires71"Good stuff. Such a contrast to the Excuse Meister. Who is closest to the truth?
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And just remind me again of Garry's long & distinguished coaching career......
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| Quote ="LJWire"And just remind me again of Garry's long & distinguished coaching career......'"
You don't need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows. Garry Schofield is only echoing what many on here believe and he knows the game a lot more than I do.
So shall we take it you disagree with the Golden Boot Winning, Great Britain series winning Mr Schofield OBE? Was it down to the 7 tackle restarts?
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| Quote ="Wires71"You don't need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.
Garry Schofield is only echoing what many on here believe and he knows the game a lot more than I do.
So shall we take it you disagree with the Golden Boot Winning, Great Britain series winning Mr Schofield OBE? Was it down to the 7 tackle restarts?'"
I can accept fans opinions about THEIR club because we are passionate & all want the same thing (our club to be successful) even if our opinions differ
The thing I was getting at was the Lineker effect where the greats get on their punditry pedestals & start digging out players/coaches without proving themselves as coaches/managers
Great players don't always make great coaches & he is proof of this
As Fergie said about Roy Keane when asked about his coaching career "He had a go"
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| Schofield is only saying what has been said on here, in the pubs of Warrington and on the terraces.
Specifically, the team has no grit, no leaders, no fight, no desire and no idea and, like everyone who has voiced similar opinions, he is absolutely spot on.
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| This stat from the Guardian tells you all you need to know
=#0000FFSaturday was the 19th time Wolves have conceded the first points of a game from 23 games in all competitions this season.
As this squad has shown continually, they lack the stomach for a fight
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| Quote ="Tiz Lad"This stat from the Guardian tells you all you need to know
=#0000FFSaturday was the 19th time Wolves have conceded the first points of a game from 23 games in all competitions this season.
As this squad has shown continually, they lack the stomach for a fight'"
WOW the Guardian finally give a negative, guess they wont get anymore interviews from TS.
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| Quote ="Tiz Lad"This stat from the Guardian tells you all you need to know
=#0000FFSaturday was the 19th time Wolves have conceded the first points of a game from 23 games in all competitions this season.
As this squad has shown continually, they lack the stomach for a fight'"
It probably won't be that far off being the same number of games the first 2 tries have gone against us. I am in disbelief that nothing has been done to change the coaching focus at the club. Even bringing in an additionsl someone else to help offer a fresher approach. This whole situation is just baffling to me.
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| Quote ="LJWire"I can accept fans opinions about THEIR club because we are passionate & all want the same thing (our club to be successful) even if our opinions differ
The thing I was getting at was the Lineker effect where the greats get on their punditry pedestals & start digging out players/coaches without proving themselves as coaches/managers
Great players don't always make great coaches & he is proof of this
As Fergie said about Roy Keane when asked about his coaching career "He had a go"'"
To be fair he only criticised the players, and he proved himself as a very fine player in the UK and Australia. For me he is qualified to pass an informed opinion.
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| Schoey gave a concise report on his view of the situation and unlike 99% on this forum he has earned the right to do so having played at the highest level. Lets hope someone at the club plays it back to the players.
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| Quote ="Wires71"To be fair he only criticised the players, and he proved himself as a very fine player in the UK and Australia. I think he is qualified to pass an opinion.'"
Of course he is but its all jumping on the band wagon a bit for me, its a bit more deep rooted than a few cliches
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| Well like Schoey....I'm venting out on the players. There's more than enough quality in the squad to find a win even if I was coaching them.
We can't blame individual players like Brown or Russell for this...they are not even playing. This is player attitude right throughout the team.
I'll back off TS and Agar for now following what Schoey has said, no doubt the players would have seen or heard about the video outburst by now as it's being shared all over social media. Let's see what happens vs Leigh and if they still disgrace us....let Murphy loose on them at halftime.
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| Quote ="LJWire"Of course he is but its all jumping on the band wagon a bit for me, its a bit more deep rooted than a few cliches'"
Fair enough. I think it is a refreshing change from the Warrington Guardian "what crisis?" stance though. This is a paper that once superimposed Andersons head on a turnip.
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