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| Quote ="W.F"Blythe was terrible tonight. Fell off tackles, several knock on's and gave 2 or 3 penalties away. I thought he was the next big thing last year, thought he was a sure star for the future. This year he has been very disappointing, 8 appearances and more often then not it has been the same story.
Pickers I thought played very well when you consider the overall team performance. Arguably our best prop tonight, certainly outperformed Cooper and Rauhihi. No penalties or errors from the big man today which can not be said for the other three, but he didn't have the same amount of game time.
If Carvell is fit next week I would drop Rauhihi and keep Pickers and Cooper on the bench. He looked incapable of keeping up with the defensive line on several occasions.'"
Sorry mate, thought Cooper had a good game tonight and far outshone Pickers.
I reckon Pickersgill will come good one day pretty soon though.
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| Quote ="W.F"Arguably our best prop tonight, certainly outperformed Cooper and Rauhihi..'"
Good one mate, you nearly had me then...you little joker you.
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| Pickersgill will be 24 later this year so can't really be described as a developing youngster anymore. Cooper, Mitchell and lots of others are miles ahead of him now, we should at least give Adam Neal (who only turned 19 in May) a chance instead.
Blythe has made too many mistakes and gave away too many penalties in the games he has played at SL level, but he's only 20 so has got some more time.
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| Don't be too hard on Blythe, he gets very few chances in the first team and is probably trying too hard, meaning mistakes are bound to creep in.
I used to think Cooper was a bit of a liability on the field, but as he has been given a longer run in the team he has settled into it, and is now looking like a solid player, with plenty of potential.
It was a tough game for many of our kids last night, there were a lot of them out there, playing against a fired up, in form Wigan side.
Picks is probably destined for a career outside SL, but far too early to make that kind of judegement on Blythe.
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| Quote ="Antro"Don't be too hard on Blythe, he gets very few chances in the first team and is probably trying too hard, meaning mistakes are bound to creep in.
I used to think Cooper was a bit of a liability on the field, but as he has been given a longer run in the team he has settled into it, and is now looking like a solid player, with plenty of potential.
It was a tough game for many of our kids last night, there were a lot of them out there, playing against a fired up, in form Wigan side.
Picks is probably destined for a career outside SL, but far too early to make that kind of judegement on Blythe.'"
I think it's quite the opposite, he looks like he couldn't give a monkeys. Lazy mistakes like not locking the ball in, or lying on a defender tha tsecond too long when you know, like your in the crowd shouting "Gerrrrro..." and Silverwood has given it.
He looks borderline braindead out there at times. You look at say Mitchell, I've seen him make errors, but his game awareness looks far superior to me.
Rauhihi is a disgrace. I'm done with him, have been for a year. What kills me with him, is on a night like last night, I want a 35 year old former Test captain, to get hold of McCarthy, Picks etc and have a queit word, call on his experience, y'know, solid sets, get to a kick, make the hard yards, coax them through. Instead, we get this fat wally run on, fling the ball on the floor (not on offload, sorry) and cough up cheap possesion, over & over. I just think he sets a crap example.
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| Quote ="Tony Catsmith"pickers didn't really stand out for me either way, blythe disapointingly cack again tonight, it really really is disapointing considering how awesome he was last year.
Also can i just point out i cba starting a thread on him, but Rah, seriously don't kid anyone asking for a new contract, your done man.'"
All of the following need to be shown the door as they are not good enough for SL or Warrington Wolves;
Pickersgill
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| Quote ="Natters"All of the following need to be shown the door as they are not good enough for SL or Warrington Wolves;
Pickersgill
Blythe
Rauhihi
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I agree minus Penny, I'm not done with him yet. I want to see what happens to him under Smith.
If it was like, a chcklist for what I want from someone, he's cool, he's just missing something, but it'd like ...
Raw RL Ingrediants - Tick.
Appetite for the game - Tick.
Team Ethic - Tick.
Willingness to learn - Tick.
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I just want Smith to find that something.
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| Quote ="JWP"I agree minus Penny, I'm not done with him yet. I want to see what happens to him under Smith.
If it was like, a chcklist for what I want from someone, he's cool, he's just missing something, but it'd like ...
Raw RL Ingrediants - Tick.
Appetite for the game - Tick.
Team Ethic - Tick.
Willingness to learn - Tick.
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I just want Smith to find that something.'"
Positional sense perhaps?
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| Quote ="Natters"Positional sense perhaps?'"
Y'know, I though he had that last night, more of it anyhow. He took his position off the people inside him, y'know. He must have had four centres inside him last night, so that didn't help, Westwood, Bridge, VA. Hard to be cohesive.
He got done with the Richards try first half, fine.
From then on, he was good. Put himself between man & ball on a couple of occasions, was in good positions to field kicks and defused threats well, one in the first half where Tomkins kicked cross field, he did well.
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| Blythe had a shocker last night, cant see him playing again this season, a loan spell wouldnt hurt him. Didnt really notice picks do anything particularly bad or good.
Rauhihi has been a liability for 12 months, he offloads occasionally but most of the time its just a wild throw backwards. What gets me is that he always goes into the tackle backwards, how are you supposed to break the line doing that? He should look at Moz, carvell or cooper - forwards who go forward and hold the ball, yes they will offload if the time is right but certainly not on every occassion.
I think Johnson is an honest bloke who gives his all, unfortunately I think his head is set on a move to Wigan next year.
Penny did ok last night, didnt get a huge amount of ball but did ok when he hid.
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| Quote ="JWP"Y'know, I though he had that last night, more of it anyhow. He took his position off the people inside him, y'know. He must have had four centres inside him last night, so that didn't help, Westwood, Bridge, VA. Hard to be cohesive.
He got done with the Richards try first half, fine.
From then on, he was good. Put himself between man & ball on a couple of occasions, was in good positions to field kicks and defused threats well, one in the first half where Tomkins kicked cross field, he did well.'"
If he is in the team then the team have to play to his strengths and use his best attribute - speed.
All too often when he is in the team he is seen as just a liability or weakness because we dont seem capable of playing to his strengths. I was crying out for someone to put him away in clear ground last night but it never happened and never looked like happening.
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| Quote ="Natters"If he is in the team then the team have to play to his strengths and use his best attribute - speed.
All too often when he is in the team he is seen as just a liability or weakness because we dont seem capable of playing to his strengths. I was crying out for someone to put him away in clear ground last night but it never happened and never looked like happening.'"
For me, he was playing on the wing in which he's least effective for a start. He's always looked a more natural left than right, with his carry & step. But to see him in the side was good.
We didn't have the creative players in our side last night to try to create for him. I'd like to have seen him on the left when Louis made that break early doors. I was also gutted he didn't take that intercept at the second attempt.
I think there's enough to work with, we shouldn't wirte him off.
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| Quote ="bombheadwire"never mind blythe and pickersgill. what about johnson he needs to go.'"
Off to Wigan according to the rumours and it showed last night.
Johnson and Rauhihi should be nowhere near the Wembley 17. Rau has gone back to his old ways of drive it in and throw it back no matter what!.
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| Blythe was shocking, missed loads of tackles
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| Unfortunately I think these players are NL standard. However we have enough talent coming through.
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| Picks was looking promising at the beginning of 2008. Very aggressive tackling and I thought that was the season he was going to impress but he went and knackered himself long term away at Wakey.
I do rate him but last night was a difficult time to be judging youngsters/players without a lot of SL game time.
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| Quote ="Coops"Off to Wigan according to the rumours and it showed last night.
Johnson and Rauhihi should be nowhere near the Wembley 17. Rau has gone back to his old ways of drive it in and throw it back no matter what!.'"
Johnson meant to be off to Wakey according to rumour now.
Wigan aren't meant to be signing anyone.
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| Quote ="Antro"Don't be too hard on Blythe, he gets very few chances in the first team and is probably trying too hard, meaning mistakes are bound to creep in.
I used to think Cooper was a bit of a liability on the field, but as he has been given a longer run in the team he has settled into it, and is now looking like a solid player, with plenty of potential.
It was a tough game for many of our kids last night, there were a lot of them out there, playing against a fired up, in form Wigan side.
Picks is probably destined for a career outside SL, but far too early to make that kind of judegement on Blythe.'"
blythe was a fixture in lowes team at the end of last year and the start of this, like we've all said, deservingly so, he's not took his chance though, he's one of a few players that doesn't seem to have improved since our tony turned up.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Johnson meant to be off to Wakey according to rumour now.
Wigan aren't meant to be signing anyone.'"
Darryl Griffin i heard
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| I thought McCarthy was excellent some really big hits.
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| Quote ="Lefty"I thought McCarthy was excellent some really big hits.'"
Here, here. Aggressive, enthusiastic and brave. The lad has gone under the radar for a while but now he has gone full time expect to see a lot more from him.
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| Quote ="Natters"If he is in the team then the team have to play to his strengths and use his best attribute - speed.
All too often when he is in the team he is seen as just a liability or weakness because we dont seem capable of playing to his strengths. I was crying out for someone to put him away in clear ground last night but it never happened and never looked like happening.'" Yep, although one thing I would say is that it was only his second game under Smith. You'd like to think that if Smith decides he is going to work with him over the pre-season with a view to getting him back in the first team, then he will learn how to use his skills.
As you say, positional sense may be his biggest weakness at the moment, yet surely somebody like Smith can coach this? Look how Briers' defence has improved for an example.
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| I hate to say this but Blythe was absolutely terrible.
The other player who seems to escape criticism is Mathers though; he constantly looks shaky under a kick and never beats the first man on kicks returns. Lacks pace.
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| Quote ="mark_m"I hate to say this but Blythe was absolutely terrible.
The other player who seems to escape criticism is Mathers though; he constantly looks shaky under a kick and never beats the first man on kicks returns. Lacks pace.'" He only missed one to be fair, and that was a good kick behind him. He takes everything else.
He certainly doens't lack pace.
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| Quote ="Dave T"He only missed one to be fair, and that was a good kick behind him. He takes everything else.
He certainly doens't lack pace.'"
He doesn't inspire confidence. And if he had good pace and/ or evasive skills he would be beating players which he never does. His best asset is his communication skills.
Compared to the best FBs at other clubs (Wellens, Webb, Hodgson) he is very ordinary.
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