I would think this is last chance saloon for Williams, went for Grix, utility value and underrated.

I think he's become one of the most rated underrated players in super league by us lot



It's nice to know that our fans appreciate the game and contributions as a whole rather than the headline making try scorers.

I went for Grix. His value to the squad is immeasurable.

why is this the last chance saloon for him? he is very highly rated at the club

I understand you know more about me on this Walter but i'm looking at what he does on the pitch more as what he does on the training ground, i haven't yet seen him have a good game, i've seen him look disinterested, i've seen him labouring about and not showing anything like the form we have been told he is capable of9granted not every game), at the end of the day of all the guys we've had on the wing and i include Rhys Evans and Riley, heck even Kev Penny he's looked the least effective and sadly the least interested, i'm not going to say get him out in fact i hope 2012 is the year he proves a lot (not just me) wrong but i haven't seen anything in him in which i would pick him over either Riley or Evans.

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They are all important to the development and stability of the club, the one I'm most pleased about is Grix. Who is slowly becoming a key member of the squad, as this year has been his best so far.

I genuinely can't see the potential with him.

imo Ryan Shaw has the ability to be better than any of Rhys Evans, Williams and Chris Riley. Quick, good hands, great step and a very strong tackler. Looking forward to seeing him in SL.

Agreed with Grix. One thing that has impressed me a lot about Grix - and Chris Bridge - is that both these guys were very highly hyped when they signed for us, and then for various reasons (Grix through injury, and Bridge through not really being a natural playmaker at stand-off) they went through about 3 years of being a player that had never delivered on that potential, which usually spells curtains for a player and they could have easily disappeared into being palmed off to Salford, Wakefield, Leigh etc.

Credit to the club for sticking with them and for the players for sticking it out because both of them ended up delivering on the early expectations.

Also if it had been down to me I'd have binned them off a few years ago, I thought Grix was just an injury crock that would never be fit and I thought Bridge was overrated, but on both cases I changed my tune and came to regard both of them as top players!

Out of these I voted for Myler, I think he's superb, he could be a player that makes the same sort of impact as McGuire or Burrow over the next few years, I think he's a terrific weapon in a good side.

Remember a few months ago there were people on here saying we might lose him to Widnes now they are in Super League as they would be "whispering in his ear" LOL.

Obviously the coaching staff see things differently

I think he's been resigned for value, probably won't be on that much and good cover for the wing if an injury crisis hits. Quite a way down the pecking order I'd guess.

I can, a few months ago Chris Riley went on loan to the land of flat beer and the jellied eel. He went there for a reason and that was because TS didn't see him in his plans. Chris came back a new player. Don't write Rhys off.

A very good piece of business for warrington.
The only one I'm not sure of for you is matty blyth but I've not really seen much of him TBH.

Contract Extensions mean nothing when the R U come a calling which they very well may do especially for Atkins he would walk into an R U side

Sure we would use the fee well and splash out.

Is IL doing the same or just using Thomas?

Anyone any wiser as to why Atkins has ommitted himself from the England Squad?

Ths heer incompetence of most of the team and staff??

Come again??

The sheer instead of Ths heer.

C'mon, you should have got that, he almost turned it Yorkshire for you T'sheer

On what grounds are you classing most of the England team and staff as being incompetent?

How would you judge Atkins' competency on those grounds?

They can mean the best part of a million quid. Leeds got £800k for Harris, Wigan got £900k for Robinson and £750k for Tuigamala, they wouldn't have got that if the players weren't on long contracts.

On the grounds of recent results, sir.

The team aren't very well organised or disciplined. I also, personally, have no faith in McBanana or his selection choices. I know I wouldn't want to be a team with Ryan Bailey.I was speculating that Atkins may feel similiarly.

There is nothing to be gained from international rugby except a abuse, a good hiding and a holiday and, as he won't get a holiday, I can see why Atkins may have packed in the idea.

They (RU) may well come calling.
ATEOTD, our club (and other clubs) own the contracts to these (promising) players, and as Sally says, the club will get recompence, should RU 'dangle the carrot'
They get the player they want
The player doubles his dosh overnight
The club gets lavishly compensated for the loss of the player
A youngster (hopefully) moves one place up the pecking order.
We wake up the following day, and RL is still here.
As Del Trotter would say "Every One's a Winner...pot pourri"

As a sport, we've got to (through gritted teeth) realise that kick and clap is a much bigger sport than ours, now. They can 'rape and pillage' our best players, as we did to them for decades. It's called life. Deal with it. Until league starts getting huge crowds for 75% of SL teams. Until we get decent attendances for our internationals. Until the Southern based media ('cos that's all it is now. There aren't many newspapers with sportsdesks/offices in Manchester anymore) wakes up and aknowledges our sport, I'm afraid we're 'p1551ng in the wind'
RU has huge financial clout.
RUs Sky deal is better.