On the other hand & as we all know, these video refs have their own interpretation of downward pressure as we have seen against us in the past, but ok for our opponents. Any ref whether on the pitch or in front of a tv screen is liable to come up with different decisions to cover the same scenario. As i see it ,the problem is referee consistency.
The incident happened right in front of us & Knowles looked to have lost control of the ball.

I’m now in the “who cares” camp!

I’ve seen far worse given as tries, with Sky bleating about downward pressure and the next minute saying a fingertip is sufficient.

In the long run, who cares? They finally didn’t get the rub of the green, they’ve had plenty over the years, so they can go love themselves.

Touching the ball while on the ground is a try, if it goes up as a try. So long as there’s no separation. If it was the other way round, the majority on here would be claiming a try.

Downward pressure is a Stevo-ism.

You’re right. We all over react to the refs because we’re passionate about the game. I noticed I got less annoyed when watching on TV and realised there’s probably times I get angry and the ref, with a much better view than me, actually made the right call.

And sometimes fans go much too far. Throwing things on the pitch or, like that Warrington fan, issuing death threats.

But the thing that sets this situation apart is the fact that a senior, official representative of Saints has trivialised the death threat situation. That’s not okay.

Spot on BW.

The problem I have with Saints' reaction is that it's not only the fans, your average Joe, I can accept that, we would going mad on here, it's their supposed 'top man'...they should be embarrassed

A big complaint was the officiating at the ruck, I'd love the rfl to come back with a list of every time we should have had a penalty for hands on when we were playing the ball or yards stolen by saints when they were playing the ball or tackled. They pushed the limit to what they got away with.

We were the better team, it was basic but it was carried out with a ruthless determination, high completion rate, play for territory, our defence was incredible to keep a side as good as saints out. I know that bryson Goodwin tackle won't ever get the same recognition as Danny Houghtons on currie even though goodwins effort was far, far better. They lost their belief and started to panic moving the ball around and making errors. They were patient in our league games, they were confident that we would break and their game plan was to really put us on the back foot and shatter out belief when they got their noses in front, it worked each time and I really think they turned up believing that the same outcome would happen, we would break and the floodgates open. Trouble for them is that we didn't break and us completing sets and finding grass with the kick gave them a lot to do on their sets. As it turned out too much to do and then for a change we broke them when it mattered. It was complacency on their part that led them to believe that they could turn up and we would wilt, I can only assume they mustn't have considered any other scenario as they didn't seem to have a plan B.

Always said that the occasion, game intensity and unique pitch of Wembley...will catch you out if you're not 100% fit.
Saints carried at least 3 unfit players and made 19 errors...that would floor any team into defeat.
After near 20 years of the upper hand over Wire....to accuse Hicks and Wire as the reason Saints got defeated is shathousery.
McManus is bitter and twisted in thoughts.

He's went back to the St Helens Star, yesterday, and he's STILL singing from the same hymn sheet.

He's basically the dick head in the pub, gobbing off to anyone who'll listen, that the girl he had his eye on, has run off with another fella. His mates HAVE backed him up, and now THEY must be getting a bit embarrassed by his ramblings.

Time to let it go, Eammon. Move on, lad. You've other battles to bokkle

I hope Thaler gets the GF and we stuff them again.
We await the next barrage of excuses.

There was a great comment by Wilkin at half time when he said "When Warrington were under pressure they bent but they didn't break. When Saints were under pressure they broke!"

As long as this rumbles on the 50-50 calls have more chance of being given against Sts, that will be so funny to watch. Mcmanus has the perfect face for bitterness

He also said Coote was great and only made 1 error.
The VT play back shown a catalogue of Coote errors.

Hope before the seasons end we get Robert hicks as ref..a standing ovation should be the order of the day just to see the saint's lot go berserk...

I wasn't giving him a round of applause as a pundit I just thought that comment was an excellent analogy of what happened in that first half

That's is fair enough but what foes that actually mean?

Many of Saints errors were caused by our "in yer face " defence & the frustration it caused the Saints players.

The rules are pretty clear :

SECTION 6 – SCORING – TRIES AND GOALS
Section 6.3
Try – How scored
A try is scored when:
a. A player first grounds the ball in the opponents in goal
b. Opposing players simultaneously grounds the ball in the in goal area
c. A tackled player’s momentum carries them into the opponents in goal where the player grounds the ball
Grounding
Grounding the ball includes:
a. Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, wrist or forearm
b. Exerting a downward pressure on the ball in contact with the ground
c. Dropping on the ball and covering it with the front part of the body above the waist and below the neck
A player who has had possession or touches/touched the ball and knocks the ball forward must regain possession (catch, hold or grip) prior to the ball hitting the ground, another player, goalpost or cross bar.
For the ball to be deemed grounded, pressure must be applied by the player’s fingers, hand, wrist, forearm or torso so as to create a reasonable influence on the plane of the ball including the spin, rotation, momentum or bounce.

If McManus can prove any of those points were played out by Knowles...
I'll go and get the CC and give it him myself.

If a player only has finger tip pressure from the side ,surely he is not in control of the ball ? Fingertip or wrist contact can really only apply if a player has made contact with a ball already on the ground.

It means it was 12-0 to Warrington at half time because their defence was better. I trust that helps

I understand the score...I don't know how you understand what bending defence is?.. sounds utter bollox to me.

I thought the opposite it was a good description TBF something hard can be brittle etc etc....but you know this

It would appear from a lot of the comments on this forum that you are an authority on talking utter bollox so I'll submit to your experience!

Like our 'pal' Eamonn we all needto move on...I'm not going to lock it, but, please let the thread die of natural causes unless there are any sparkling, worth reading updates to be had.

Thanks