I fear for young Toby on Saturday. He did however have a much improved game on Saturday less launching the ball into the South stand looking for Rhys on the 2nd tackle. He has rectified his knock on issues that he seemed to have. TS seems to be happy to play him at Right Centre with Rhys Evans as his wingman.

I think we will start off with the same 13 that took to the field on Saturday with Westwood, Bailey, Dwyer and G King on the bench. We must remember that TS has form in throwing curveballs.

Fonua Vs King gives me palpitations

From looking at the highlights, King was your Right Centre? He will be against Yeaman, not Fonua. Although Talanoa, Minichiello and Pritchard will all be attacking his channel

I would not pick Toby King. He's obviously a talent but from what I've seen he's not ready yet. I would pick Penny. Hull are too big and strong at the moment for Toby. I think TS will pick Toby and if he does I really hope I've got it wrong.

Yeah I did. Johnson if hes fit is a very high quality player and given that our backs at the minute are in absolutely awful form except for Atkins I would go that way. Matty is exceptional at going sideways but he isnt a winger and Sneyd will just turn him around even at full back his dealing with kicks worry me. Johnson looks composed dealing with kicks has some decent pace and will have some confidence about him. Toby King at the minute looks lost hasnt a clue where to be or what to do play him at Wembley and Yeaman will terrorise him. Get our best centre in the centre Ratchford (hes no full back either). Evans has some pace and can defend get him on the wing as Lineham has been woeful

Thinking more and more about it and trying to see a reason not to pick Penny, and I can't find one. He's mad keen, and will run all day, making a decent amount of meters in the process, and has very few handling errors, which negates the Russell argument. Then there's the obvious, he can finish, which pits him above Evans as a winger.

But on top of that, if we need something to change the momentum, he's great in the air and will chase a ball like a puppy, and if fancy his chances on the left wing of our jumping Michaels. Russell couldn't do that, nor would he win many foot races.

I can't see a reason not to pick him! It's not like Russell is a steady winger who doesn't make mistakes!

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If Westerman is doubtful. Ratchford to take his place. Russell to full back & Penny on the wing.

Nah, they'll start king at 13 or something in that case.

I'm not saying I'd do that, but less changes

I'm sure Tony Smith will be aware of all the pitfalls & have something up his sleeve to fool the opposition. We went up against Leeds at Wembley as underdogs & looking like a bunch of demics till kick off then the Wire showed them how to play.

I haven't been this concerned about our backline since the magic weekend.

Quote ="Builth Wells Wire"Westerman doubtful for final www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... 10547962/-'" No different news from after the game on Saturday. Joe will be sat in the Cryo Chamber as we speak. Lots of Icing and rest and if all that fails inject him with whatever it is they inject. Confident Joe will be available for Saturday.

Quote ="Builth Wells Wire"Westerman doubtful for final www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... 10547962/-'" No different news from after the game on Saturday. Joe will be sat in the Cryo Chamber as we speak. Lots of Icing and rest and if all that fails inject him with whatever it is they inject. Confident Joe will be available for Saturday.

George King cited for a grade a dangerous throw. How close is Cox to being available? We may need him and Westwood may have to do big minutes at loose forward if Westerman is injured. Confident that Westwood could do big minutes he has been spelled well this season.

I havent been this concerned about our back line since we had Rhys Williams in it........

I have zero belief we can win this Final as it stands....its been an unbalanced squad for weeks...and we aren't troubled by major injuries but the team never "feels" right.....

Russel for me is Fullback or nothing I'd prefer Ratchford in the centres and I'd just like two wingers playing on the wing........ if we go into the final with Atkins being the only player playing in the correct position in the backline it will be a right mess for us.......

I Fancy Minichello will waltz the Lance Todd trophy.......

but hey ho its Wembley and the Pies Saint's and Widnes wont be there......

You say untroubled by major injuries, but how many games have Mitch Dodds, James Laithwaite, Ben Harrison, Ben Evans and Gary Wheeler (who played a good centre on the rare occasion he could walk) played between them this season? We should be coping better with the squad we have, especially as its forwards we have out and backs we have problems with, but it's not like we are untouched by the current plague of long-term injuries this season.

I think I agree with Russell at full-back, especially as one of his main weaknesses - catching - is still a weakness on the wing! He seemed to do a pretty good job there in our 7-game winning run at the start of the season too, while Ratchford has everything you want in a centre, assuming he is happy to play there. That's the main problem I think, our players want to play in a different position to where we think they're suited! Evans doesn't look comfortable on the wing anyway, and it sounds like King is out of his depth.

Do we know anything for certain about Penny being injured in that reserves game? 'Bad form' or not, it'll be an improvement on what we have now.

I can't believe people are talking about wholesale changes.

I would be tempted to move Evans back into the centre and put Penny on the wing but that is it.

Shame Lineham has been such an idiot because a game like this could have been ideal for him.

Top idea that. Take a young lad whose only had a handful of first team games and put him in one of the most pivotal positions on the field on the biggest stage in the country. Unbelievable.

As mentioned above I would make one change. Rhys back at centre and Penny on the wing. I like King and see a lot of potential but this isn't his time I'm afraid. other than that, same team as last week, Bailey will offer us much needed pack aggression and will get under the skin of the Hull forwards. Dwyer coming on will be the difference between the two teams.

Like he was in the league game at the Halliwell Jones?

You're going to have to specify... who is 'he' and what was he doing?

I tend to agree with the first part of you post but I'm not sure Russell stays for me and that's the conundrum that we have been playing with recently can we shuffle to cover Wings and hence there is opinion and speculation over the back line particularly.

People have been very quick to bag T King but Castleford were up for it and as far as mistakes go, their ONE try was a consequence of Russell's error not King's, he also had an easy ball steal second half I think that turned over possession. I think that Russell will be getting a lot of kicked ball on Saturday and I'm not confident that he will cope.

As far as Lineham is concerned, I think Hull FC would be equally delighted to see his name on the team sheet and not just because he may, or may not have been an idiot here. They would be confident of handling him offensively and as far as defence goes say no more, especially on that pitch kicked to death. We may be in any event but Lineham would openly invite that play....there aren't too many wingers that can fill Rhys Williams's shorts if you pardon the expression

Fitness being equal the idea of Johnson and Penny on the wings isn't so daft IMO at least they have pace and can catch, Evans back to centre with Atkins, Ratchford stays at FB

I thought both Russell and TKing did everything they could on Saturday to play themselves out of contention. Although Russell is great when we get a quick ruck.

I am one for the underdog story and it would be great to see Lineham get redemption at Wembley and score the winning try. I won't hold my breath lol

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It is amusing to see how many Hull fans are lurking on this board this week, waiting for an opportunity to jump in if anyone questions their brilliance.

I'd make the Penny-King switch: I cant see there bring any others though.

One other [ipotential[/i solution, and not one I'd rule out, is that Currie goes to centre. As well as taking a potentially fragile T.King out of the equation it will stiffen up the defence outwide. So that would be Ratchford, Evans, Atkins, Currie, Russell.

This would obviously depend on Westerman's fitness, and would mean Westwood slotting in at LF and playing big game time.

Westwood looking spent. 80mins from him risky.