The MOS is selected from the dream team I think.

SL coaches have to produce strategies/gameplans to stop the likes of Monaghan, Roby, Tomkins, Chase, Briers, Lomax etc each week. I suspect that if it was they rather than a bunch of journos who came up with the dream team we would see some different faces.

If the players get to vote on their peers for Man Of Steel, then I think the SL coaches should vote the Dream Team.

To the detriment of Saints at times I imagine... Saints get a roll on, have the opposition disorganised, and instead of swinging the ball out and scoring, Roby darts 10 metres up the pitch and is tackles.

Whereas Monaghan 9 times out of ten will choose the right option, and is a big reason for us amassing so many points this season.

This is the reason the aussies beat us so comfortably, they have player with brains and skills, we just have brawn.

Yes on 2nd thoughts he has not been the clear best hooker in the Comp and Roby has been great for Saints.
But Monas should have been in the SL Dream team ahead of Roby.

Agreed, he's an unreal workhorse, you can't help but see that with the naked eye without the need for statistics. I do think he is a physical freak, a one off.

Only problem is, you could counter-argue that by saying that he's ineffective, or his style doesn't lend itself to making you guys successful, as you've not beaten any of the big sides this year and have found yourselves well off the pace this year, for all of his good work.

Or you could argue that the fact that we're pretty obviously beneath the top 2 means it's even more impressive?



I don't agree he's ineffective, he's made breaks in key games for us this season and we've just put the ball down. He doesn't steal plays by going on his own very often either. I'd bet 90% of his metres are made between the 20s.

Ron you make a good point here.

Regarding Roby and Monas, both excellent hookers and both deserving of a place in the dream team - shame there can be only one - and further to my message regarding coaches selecting the dream team. It would be interesting to know which player is the greater 'headache' to opposition SL coaches when planning for games against Saints or Wire. I may be biased, but I suspect Monas.

I don't necessarily think he's ineffective either in all honesty, quite the opposite as he's a player I fear when we play you guys. I don't think he's somebody that a team can play off, more that you can play off the back of him. It's not just the metres he makes, it's the two plays that follow that hurt you too.

I've no problems with his inclusion as dreamteam hooker. I would always take Monaghan for us and Roby for you guys, especially in recent years when you've gone one out play'tastic.

Roby is perhaps the best athlete in world rugby, if you view him as a forward playing hooker, he's the best there is. If you view Monaghan as a halfback playing hooker, in a creative role he's the best there is without question too. I guess Monas would be the sort of 'hookers hooker', the Stevo's of this world, Lowes etc will appreciate his art.

26 penalties for Benny

really wish he could get a handle on that part of his game.

biggest joke ive seen all year haha atkins, king and mike monas have been better than joel this year mike monas best player in the league, king best centre in the league by a huge margin atkins best english centre and probably 2nd best in league that team is unbelievable

oh give over

oh give over

lol

lets be realistic though mate if u wanted to win the league you wouldnt trade king or atkins anyone let alone yeaman or carmont, yes yeaman has had a good year but i dont think hes there and carmonts inclusion bewilders me

Obviously it will come down to bias, you will say Atkins/King/Bridge are the best centres. Hull fans will say Yeaman, Wigan fans will say Carmont. I don't have any problem with Carmont's inclusion, he's been far the best centre in the league this season

yeaman and briscoe are only in for scoring tries im pretty sure ud of loved to see richards name in and i wouldnt of been suprised if it was but the way it has been done is wingers ans centres goes on most tries forwards for most meters i presume stand offs for dragging a team along by themselves and full back having the name of tomkins....

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Do you have shares with Roby?

His stats are impressive but how much game time more has he played this season, Saints have only been plying with one hooker for most of the season because of injuiries.

The stats say Monas has won one more throphy, finished 7 points ahead in SL, made less errors and scored more tries

Shocked Kings' not there

It is funny how the dream team and MOS possibles would change throughout a season. If that team was selected in May then I reckon Brough would be a certain for 7 and possibly MOS. I reckon if Tommy leuluai had been at 9 all year for Wigan he would not have been far off either. For me the hooker is the most important position on the pitch these days. From what I heard The players had a full hours video session all about leuluai before we played them in round 26, that shows how important a good hooker is to a team. Roby and Monas are probably in the forefront of opposition coaches minds when they are preparing to play against them, even more than the likes of Tomkins or briers for example. I understand Roby getting the nod for dream team but the voting must have been close.

I read that the journalists had to submit their nominations the week before we turned Wigan over in the league. If it had been a week later I reckon Monaghan would have edged Roby for the spot.

As it is Roby edged Monaghan out and in truth its a difficlut call to split them.

Is it just me who thinks Joel has been better than King?

Raised eyebrows at Yeaman & Menzies inclusion over King & Hoffman respectively.

I know its not a reflection of the season but King had Yeaman in his pocket on Friday night. In fact, Yeaman was anonymous.

Yup.

And to be perfectly honest, I'd have Richards over Joel Monas as well. As I've said previously before his injury he looked all class, just hasn't hit the same heights (imo) since then, still been a very good player mind but I think Richards has looked as good (if not better) than him since.