Huddersfield finished 3rd this year and some place lower down last year.

What sport have you been watching? It certainly wasn't Super League.

looking foolish now?

Hudders finished third/ fourth. P/o semi final vs Saints.

Last year lost to Saints and Catalans and finished sixth (I think)

That is an improvement.

Even more so Leeds went from Gf champions and League leaders to winning nothing and coming third/ fourth. This would suggest they may be unravelling. Both my points stand.

Except Leeds still did better than Hudds both seasons. And Leeds finished 4th (+ a cup final) and Hudds fifth this year.

So even if Leeds are on a decline, they are still ahead of Hudds. Although by your logic Huddersfield have had a nightmare of a season and are on a decline.

i'm not comparing Leeds to Hudders. No one is. It was foolish for Gotcha to do that. It was even more foolish for me to be glib before and not address it.

Try again. The original Question was "Does this point towards [uBulls being a serious contender again next year[/u with the other signings they have made, or [udoes it suggest things untangling at Leeds[/u somewhat?

I said i thought that Bradford were moving towards top eight (n.b I wouldn't say was a silly post- very reasonable prediction)

Then sally said 'was it more a sign of Hudders. unravelling?"

So they are separate points. Compare Leeds 2010 with Leeds 2009 and compare Huddersfield 2009 and 2010!

You do it now. Compare them.

I said that Leeds are unravelling and Huddersfield are improving. That is a perfectly reasonable assumption.

Fair enough if you didn't compare them, I apologise for that.

However I think its far too soon to say Leeds are unravelling, they had a very poor start to the season but were probably the form side the 2nd half of the season and also got to the Challenge Cup final. I'm certain they will still be up near the top of the league next year, especially without the world club championship and all the added pressure.

Hudds had an outstanding year 2009 where they went top 4 and got to the CC final, but this year they haven't been as good and finished outside of the top 4. Now they are losing their best and probably most influential player.

I can agree with that but their is something very fishy about diskin leaving now. I don't know why but it gives me the feeling that worse is to come. I think that feeling will pass when they get westerman's signature

their players signed up so far are disappointing at best. Losing Eastwood and not getting a great replacement seem ominous.

Huddersfield have defo lost their leader but they have a lot of talent in brown and I think brough will be more of a game changer next year. They seem to have the squad on paper to maybe do something good.

I have the opinion that Leeds are on the way down. It won't be to wooden spoon territory or at least out the top 5 or six but i think there is something not right. Come next season it'll probably be all in my head and they'll be refreshed with Burgess and Peacock and McGuire all back. I don't know.

Bradford look like a stronger squad this year than last IMO.

Diskin is a good squad player, a player you need to keep hold of your bigger stars to fit them in the cap.

Trouble is at Bradford he isn't so much a squad player as he was at Leeds.

Not a slight on Diskin, more on Bradfords decline

Bradford do but they also seem to have padded out the squad with a lot of average players, and the only players of any sort of quality are Diskin + Elima. I still think they'll be short of the top 4, the Hulls + Hudds.

I think Diskin left just to freshen the team up a bit, it allows Buderus to play a more natural game, and probably means Burrow doing spells at hooker and Sinfield moving into the halves (incidentaly where some of this best performances came this season imo).

yeah and Bradford could be signing a good kicker unlikely Pryce but maybe a bosc or someone. They have a squad on paper. Better after getting rid of orford i think.

To freshen them up? Am i right in thinking it has just been his testimonial. Seems a strange time to leave. MAybe he was offered better things at Bradford but that is two good players gone without a suitable replacement IMO.

Bradford have a decent coach this year and have made some decent recruits. IF they do happen to get Bosc and Pryce with the money from the sale of Orford to Canberra as rumoured then their is no reason why they shouldn't be challenging for the top four this season.

He would nt make our startin 13...

Two big if's though isn't it. Those 2 would get into most sides somewhere and would be 2 players of real quality, put them in either hull sides and they instantly become top 4 as well.

I can't remember the name of the young lad that played at hooker for Leeds against us. He looked pretty useful and I can only assume that he will get more games and rotate with Bederus. If I am honest I would prefer to promote a young player like Leeds are doing if they are ready. If orford stays fit and with the other players they have they will be far more competitive than last year.

Paul McShane.

It is two big if's. I really rate Bosc and like you say having them two in your halves would really push you up the top end of the table. It would be one of the best halfback partnerships in SL. Both can change a game in a flash.

No. You actually said this



Which was in response to this



If you want to talk about people been foolish that would be you, for trying to say that Huddersfield had had two strong seasons but Leeds had had a nightmare one, despite the clear fact the last season from Leeds was better than either of the last two for Huddersfield.

Now you say you did not mean it like that. Then fair enough, but make yourself clearer next time, because that is exactly what you put on the first page.

You're the only one with the problem.

Just because you jumped the gun and didn't understand doesn't mean i need to baby talk it through.




You were the one comparing. I have already said it was foolish of me not to tell you straight to begin with. But why are you carrying this on?

You even agreed with me in that post that Leeds have had a disappointing season this season compared to their high standards of winning the table and super league. That should have been the clue you didn't understand.

I'm assuming you didn't read it properly the first time or you didn't read the whole thread because I feel it was obvious that Leeds and Huddersfield were separate. You seem to have fully understood that two teams were said to be unravelling and i addressed those two teams separately. I am struggling to see how you managed to slip up so badly here.

Any way, I hope we are clear now. Maybe get back on topic now?

No we are not clear. And at the risk of boring the rest of the board, for which I apologise, you need to make yourself clearer before trying to take the higher ground. As from where I am standing you appear to be on a slipperly slope.

Lets look again.



Explain in your "baby talk", as unfortunately it is required, how either of Huddersfields last two seasons have been as good as Leeds last one which you desribed as a nightmare.

It might just be me, but I was under the imrpession there is a huge difference between a "strong" season and "nightmare" season.

Just to be clear, I am not dissputing your assumption that Leeds might be declining, that could well be the case, I am purely dissputing what I have asked for clarifying. You see for me, the comment appears nonsensical.

Okay, as I told inside_man (if you had read the rest of the thread) and I think I have told you; don't compare Leeds with Huddersfield. It is Leeds 2009 with Leeds 2010. Compare Huddersfield 2008 with Huddersfield 2009 + 2010.

I will explain why I think Leeds had a nightmare season. Leeds went from winning the top two trophies last year to winning nothing this year. Admittedly, a CC appearance is great (I never said they'd slipped, just that they were looking shaky) but they didn't look to be unbeatable like previous seasons and ultimately I think it'll be put down as a bit of a failure.

Huddersfield, on a separate point, have had two good seasons (Like i said originally) they went from tenth (I think) to playoffs and CC final appearance and they have added to that by getting to the semi final of the super league play-offs this year. If this trend continues they will be winning something in the next two seasons.

I do apologise if I didn't explain it well enough.


That full stop speaks volumes. It signifies that they are separate points.

We'll change tact though.

Do you personally believe that Leeds are slipping? Do you think that Huddersfield without Hodgeson will start to unravel? Do you disagree with everything i am saying?

Mate, I do think Leeds are slipping yes, but not last season. I think that will come this season (2011), unless there is another couple of changes yet. They should have acted sooner for 2011 than before now. They will be back on track for 2012 though.

My personal opinion is that Hodgson was a poor signing for you, not one you needed, and I think him leaving will have little effect on Huddersfield.

I agree Huddersfield may well improve.

I dissagree however with your explanation above, but appreciate your change of tone. You never mentioned 2008 previously, only the last two seasons which were of course 2009 and 2010. And on that basis Huddersfield have not had as good a years as 2010 for Leeds, so therefore they have not been strong, unless you define Leeds year as strong.

I think Leeds will have a resurgence in 2012 too. but i think we have seen the wheels come off this year and next could be a tough one for them.

I think, like most Warrington fans, that hodgeson will add something into an area we have been lacking of late and as much as i hate to see Richie leave, he has been a great worker for the club. I think we will gain in attack and may cut out some silly mistakes.

I am looking forward to seeing how Huddersfield perform next year along with Bradford and Salford. Really is an interesting squad developing in the latter two.

Again, it is strong compared with previous years. Leeds the last 4 years has been 3 Grand finals and 3 wins. Along with winning or fighting up to the last week for top spot in the table since 2006. That is the average. Last year was no where near those standards. so I deem it as a bad season; maybe even a nightmare.

Huddersfield went from 9th to 5th to 10th and failed in play-offs. Then for two seasons they maintained some stability and got through the CC rounds and to the Semi of Play-offs in two seasons. This i would say is a strong showing from them. signs that they are on the up.

It is too soon to say whether Leeds are truly slipping but as I have said they look shaky. I do think Huddersfield might be on the upswing.

As I have said it is comparing Leeds with Leeds past and Huddersfield with Huddersfield past.

hang on a minute, has godwin or l'estrange left dismal under cover of nightfall?

Don't think so maybe l'estrange will play half back if Orford leaves

Diskin has left because Bradford offered him a 3 year contract, and he was on his last year with Leeds. McShane may not quite be ready just yet but he certainly would've been ready for 2012 meaning the chances of Diskin getting a contract after 2011 are slim to none. He's done the right thing by his family taking the 3 year salary when it was on offer, instead of leaving it until the last minute and seeing what he gets when he's another year older and anything could've happened. He also runs a business in Dewsbury and has two school age, settled, children so that only really leaves Bradford or Huddersfield as a choice doesn't it seen as Cas/Wakefield are the two in the firing line for relegation.

It is NOT a sign of Leeds declining, OR a sign of Bradford's title intentions.

And with regards to Mick Potter being a good coach... He handed Eastmond the 7 shirt when Long left (hardly rocket science), Continued to rotate Cunningham & Roby (as Saints were already doing when he took charge) and loaned out Smith (who would've easily been their stand out player) and, despite inheriting one of the most talented group of players in the league, still managed to finish his tenure as coach trophy-less. I think my Mum could've won a trophy with that Saints team!

FWIW, I think Bradford are becoming Yorkshire's equivalent of Salford (not beind derogatory), in just picking up scraps from teams leftovers, and hoping they'll perform. Diskin's best days are behind him, as are the majority of Bradford's side. It's actually a little sad, seeing Bradford's demise in 5 short years to being (at times last season) a bit of a joke.
Bradford's main attribute for the last 20odd years was a big pack which can handle a ball. Maybe they still can, but most sides have thought (up to about 2006) "bl00dy hell...it's Bradford today...I hope we don't get snotted"
Nowadays, it's more like " Oh, it's Bradford today...should be 2 points and a good help to our goal difference"

Bradford simply have no aura about them anymore.

Oh and BTW, that comment about Leeds spending more money than Wigan in the 80's and 90'S made me laugh more than the first time I ever saw Monty Python's Fish Slapping Dance. HILARIOUS. Bar John Gallagher, Hanley and Gregory (who were at the end of their careers) and a few big name Aussies (ET, Backo, Fullerton-Smith etc), their expenditure was nowhere near that of Wigan's. BIG FAIL