Oh do one.

At last night`s game the person who was the main subject of the fans` songs/chants was Karl FitzPatrick.

There were some fans singing "You`re not fit to wear the shirt" but they were in a minority of the fans there.

Didn`t hear any criticism of Daryl Powell.

Especially when he's our top try scorer!

Read his tweets again. He doesn’t lump all the fans in one.

“ Thanks to the loyal fans still turnin up & backin us, we need use now more than we ever have.”

“ As for the handful of ends giving lads all sorts of including some telling lads to die.”

Read my post again. Lumping every fan who wasn't "backin us" and "giving lads all sorts" into the bracket of the tits giving death threats isn't the best approach IMHO.

"use"



Is this the Liverpudlian 2nd person informal plural like vous / vosotros / y'all?

If the tweet being referred to was the one I saw yesterday, the bit I took umbrage to was referring to grafting getting us out of it.

Thats the problem, there's zero grafting going on and the reason we're getting on at them is it seems there's zero intention of doing any grafting.

Now unhappiness with the coach or not, personal ing pride should have each individual player saying, 'I'm not gonna look a , 'I'm gonna make my tackles'

They're not,(with a small number of exceptions)

This is why I can't understand why nobody seems to be venting at his teammates, a few of them must care and know that some of their colleagues are letting them down quite badly. There should be a few players on the pitch demanding better from their teammates and there just isn't, where are the leaders in this group? How can any professional accept shocking performances and not be visibly frustrated by it all by this point? I don't get it at all.

If it's the leaders in the group not pulling their weight then there is no other option but to drop them. DP must know who they are, the guy comes across as intelligent.

Dismal, isn't it? I mean, nobody expects the average rugby league player to be comfortable engaging in spirited debate with Professor Brian Cox about the characteristics of supermassive black holes, for example. However, if Danny's tweet is any indication of the squad's general level of intellect, then maybe it's no surprise that they are failing to grasp Powell's new methods. Perhaps they are pining for the simpler, halcyon days of their erstwhile monosyllabic mentor Mr Price?

Must admit I inferred from the post that he has identified a group of fans who are not backing them and giving them all sorts and calling for them to not support them again and this group includes those that issued death threats. Ergo "if you ain't backing us clear off".

Well, he should remember that there are many thousands of fans that have supported Warrington since before he and the "lads" were born and will continue to support Warrington after they are retired. They will decide if they continue their support. Owners, players, coaches are all temporary. Perhaps that is part of the problem - they think it is all about them.

He would be better advised to direct his poorly constructed missive towards his teammates.

This post in no way condones the death threats.

Sums it up in a nutshell, no way will I condone death threats no matter how much you may dislike some. Got to laugh the many disagreements I’ve seen on here over the years we could all be dead. But yes as fans there is a level of performance we will not put up with and we have the right to vent it just as much as owners, coaches etc.

But what if it's half a dozen starters? Dropping them sounds like a good thing to do but it's a nuclear option that could backfire. We don't have the squad depth for that.

He'll definitely know who they are but is probably thinking of the long game. Trying to be competitive this season and then making big changes once it's done.

That being said, if we keep losing, the nuclear option becomes more tempting.

Just out of interest, could we take a look at which players who've been around a few years have actually changed their game in response to different coaching? I'm far from an expert, but my observation of the old guard over the last few years tells me:
Ratchford: naa, not really, just slightly slower and less elusive than he was
Charnley: yes, amazingly - Price had him as first receiver on our own line trying to be a prop, but he's changed fairly radically into a properish winger since the beginning of the season
J. Clark: zero change
Jack Hughes: zero change
D. Clark: zero real change, still dangerous on the scoot but well off his best
Currie: zero real change
M. Davis: zero real change
Hmmm.
If you coach someone in business and they don't respond it's either because they 1) don't want to or 2) aren't capable of altering the way they do things. If the above list don't want to change, do they belong in the team? If they get on the field, panic and forget everything they've agreed to try out, do they belong in Superleague? Or am I talking rubbish and have missed a load of subtleties in the way they play?

1) Identify the ring leaders.
2) Interview them on a one to one basis and ask then if they want to stay at Warrington RLFC
3) Inform them that the decision to stay at Wire isn`t necessarily theirs, but depends on Daryl Powell`s views on how they fit into his
plans.
4).See if any players adapt to the new game style, for 2 more games maximum.
5) If there is no perceived difference, then loan out the worse offender to a Championship Club indefinitely & drop one of the others for
one game.
6) I anticipate that all the remaining players will then fall into line.
7) Before Stage 1) sign a bruising prop forward fron the NRL

Jack Hughes is the Captain and still plays every week. That's all we really need to know.

When have you ever seen him behind the sticks demanding more from his players? When have you ever seen him demand the ball and run over the top of someone when we start to look lethargic and flat? Never.

I've been saying it for years since Morley, Carvell & Co. moved on. We're too nice! We don't have anyone in our pack with a bit of grunt about them.

The sad thing is in Hughes' absense of Captain abilities, not one member of our forwards stepped up in that time has stepped up in a game and said "Give me the f***ing ball now. Follow me lads, I'll show you the way."

Too much complacency in our pack. We've got players up front who know they can do whatever they want and it doesn't matter because they'll still get picked every week.

How can we really expect any more from the team when the quality of the squad has dwindled steadily since the last days of Smith? We couldn' win the big one even in the days of Morley ,when we actually used to play as a team. Move forward to now & we have a team not much better than reserve standard as do other clubs in the division.

I think the standard of all sides has dropped. I would expect our team of 2011/12 transplanted into the 2022 competition would beat all before it.

Winning SL is not unattainable by any means. Our peers have done it many, many times. Decent performance during the season winning 23+/28 games, win playoff round1 at home, then the ability to beat 2 from 3 of Saints/Wigan/Leeds in successive games.

In fairness Cooper does try the old ‘give me the bloody ball’ thing, he certainly gave it a go in the Wakefield league game. For me he was a shoo-in for Captain, still baffled why he’s never been considered but I don’t see the inner workings. He is, however, a leader in what he does on field, very articulate and Warrington born.

Wow! Well I have gone and done it. I sat through and watched the whole game. A horrible start to the game, they took advantage and we never recovered. We could easily have lost by more as HKR ran us ragged most of the time with Matt Parcell running the show. I haven't seen us so outplayed for years. Horrible defence around the play the ball.
Couple of their tries at the start of second half could easily have been called for forward passes.
Our best ... probably Bullock & Mata'utia.

Hard to watch but had to be done.

Quote ="Smiffy27"Wow! Well I have gone and done it. I sat through and watched the whole game. A horrible start to the game, they took advantage and we never recovered. We could easily have lost by more as HKR ran us ragged most of the time with Matt Parcell running the show. I haven't seen us so outplayed for years. Horrible defence around the play the ball. Couple of their tries at the start of second half could easily have been called for forward passes. Our best ... probably Bullock & Mata'utia. Hard to watch but had to be done.'" Well done. Highlights here too https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... highlights Some horrible half d tackling

Quote ="Smiffy27"Wow! Well I have gone and done it. I sat through and watched the whole game. A horrible start to the game, they took advantage and we never recovered. We could easily have lost by more as HKR ran us ragged most of the time with Matt Parcell running the show. I haven't seen us so outplayed for years. Horrible defence around the play the ball. Couple of their tries at the start of second half could easily have been called for forward passes. Our best ... probably Bullock & Mata'utia. Hard to watch but had to be done.'" Well done. Highlights here too https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... highlights Some horrible half d tackling

He has been the standout candidate for the captains armband since he came back to the club, I hope the only reason he doesn't have it is that he turned it down.

Quote ="Wires71"Well done. Highlights here too https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... highlights Some horrible half d tackling'" I had intended watching but Tuesday is when I always watch back to back episodes of Leslie Crowther's The Price is Right over a Harvey's or six, and Wednesday is my tea-towel collectors group meeting so I'll have to give it a miss this time.

Quote ="Wires71"Well done. Highlights here too https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... highlights Some horrible half d tackling'" I had intended watching but Tuesday is when I always watch back to back episodes of Leslie Crowther's The Price is Right over a Harvey's or six, and Wednesday is my tea-towel collectors group meeting so I'll have to give it a miss this time.