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| Quote ="Wolf Hall" we want something to take us out of the gloom and despondency of a rising prices and political turmoil '"
You are Rishi Sunak or Sajid Javid, and I claim my free copy of a ministerial resignation letter.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Whilst I understand the sentiment I don't think the financial argument holds much water. Our owners are very high net worth individuals with collective assets of hundreds of millions of pounds. Warrington Wolves is their train set. '"
Yeah what a great train set. Spend far too much money trying to get the right parts and set it up in different ways and you always end up watching the same crap go round and round.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Yeah what a great train set. Spend far too much money trying to get the right parts and set it up in different ways and you always end up watching the same crap go round and round.'"
Ha ha - just like Hornby.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Whilst I understand the sentiment I don't think the financial argument holds much water. Our owners are very high net worth individuals with collective assets of hundreds of millions of pounds. Warrington Wolves is their train set.
Another argument is that every day we stay with Powell is a day longer we are away from the goal, but that loses impact when you realise we have been treading water for 6-7 years.'"
Some big assumptions there about our owners wealth and their readiness to throw good money after bad. They don't become astute business people by backing losers.
No doubt they will want the best available at a price they consider will give them a fair return, whether financially or in prestige which winning cups give you. The investment made so far has resulted in poor team performance, poor and unhappy crowds and the worryingly of possible relegation.
It wasn't meant to be like this. Time for action.
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| I am not happy about the performances and results but I wasn't exactly over the moon about being dumped out of the play offs and challenge cups by Hull KR, Cas, Salford, etc under Steve Price. No disrespect intended to those clubs and I know spending big does not give you a god given right to win everything.
Everybody has been complaining about the pack and in theory that should be addressed from next year. There has been far more turmoil this year than I expected. I guess powell was involved in the decision to have 12 players out of contract at the end of 2022 so he could make the decisions on retention.
I dont get people saying Powell is picking players on reputation when Charnley has been shown the door and King sent out on Loan. If Longstaff and Dean are not ready yet then happy to take Powells judgement.
This could end up in disaster but it also could end similar to this
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| DP is in it for the long haul.
He has full backing of the board.
Everyone is disposable.
Who he wants the club will buy.
Any player not buying in to the new systems is out, some quicker than others.
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| Quote ="Wolf Hall"Some big assumptions there about our owners wealth and their readiness to throw good money after bad. They don't become astute business people by backing losers.
No doubt they will want the best available at a price they consider will give them a fair return, whether financially or in prestige which winning cups give you. The investment made so far has resulted in poor team performance, poor and unhappy crowds and the worryingly of possible relegation.
It wasn't meant to be like this. Time for action.'"
True but they have been generously investing for 18 years+ now. They are not looking for financial return, its an eminently affordable hobby. If it was a serious business for them they would appoint a credible CEO.
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| Quote ="Deus Dat Incrementum"I am not happy about the performances and results but I wasn't exactly over the moon about being dumped out of the play offs and challenge cups by Hull KR, Cas, Salford, etc under Steve Price. No disrespect intended to those clubs and I know spending big does not give you a god given right to win everything.
Everybody has been complaining about the pack and in theory that should be addressed from next year. There has been far more turmoil this year than I expected. I guess powell was involved in the decision to have 12 players out of contract at the end of 2022 so he could make the decisions on retention.
I dont get people saying Powell is picking players on reputation when Charnley has been shown the door and King sent out on Loan. If Longstaff and Dean are not ready yet then happy to take Powells judgement.
This could end up in disaster but it also could end similar to this
[https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-league-the-penrith-panthers-rise-from-colossal-shambles-to-nrl-premiership-front-runners/VYZWPBEBETH37GN5NHRWHAMF3Y/'"
That's a good story. They made the final in 2020 and won it 2021. Let's hope for the same.
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| Quote ="Deus Dat Incrementum"I am not happy about the performances and results but I wasn't exactly over the moon about being dumped out of the play offs and challenge cups by Hull KR, Cas, Salford, etc under Steve Price. No disrespect intended to those clubs and I know spending big does not give you a god given right to win everything.
Everybody has been complaining about the pack and in theory that should be addressed from next year. There has been far more turmoil this year than I expected. I guess powell was involved in the decision to have 12 players out of contract at the end of 2022 so he could make the decisions on retention.
I dont get people saying Powell is picking players on reputation when Charnley has been shown the door and King sent out on Loan. If Longstaff and Dean are not ready yet then happy to take Powells judgement.
This could end up in disaster but it also could end similar to this
[https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-league-the-penrith-panthers-rise-from-colossal-shambles-to-nrl-premiership-front-runners/VYZWPBEBETH37GN5NHRWHAMF3Y/'"
It’s all well and good loaning our King and Longstaff in July. But the only “bad apple” shown the door was a winger. A flipping winger! Bear in mind he is STILL our second highest try scorer despite being in the long grass since April.
The Panthers rose though letting go of the old guard and replacing them with youth. Luke Lewis, for example, went to the Sharks, won a premiership and retired before the youth developed into a team fit to win anything.
If you’re trying to cast parallels, maybe we shouldn’t be letting those players rot in the reserves or send them out on loan.
The pack appears to be addressed, but that was THE shortfall of the club. There was nobody behind Hill and Cooper. So… we let them go. Don’t kid yourself on the strength of Gil Dudson.
There’s work to be done. We need so see improvement. Without that, it is the worst period of history since Dorohay, maybe even longer, and we know how long it took to recover from that
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"
Without that, it is the worst period of history since Dorohay, maybe even longer, and we know how long it took to recover from that'"
I would take the Dorahy era over this any day of the week. Finished 5th, with the best 2 young talents in Super League (Harris and Sculthorpe) and Henare burning everyone for pace on the wing. Considering we'd got smashed 80-0 by Saints just before he took over, Dorahy turned things round pretty quickly.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I would take the Dorahy era over this any day of the week. Finished 5th, with the best 2 young talents in Super League (Harris and Sculthorpe) and Henare burning everyone for pace on the wing. Considering we'd got smashed 80-0 by Saints just before he took over, Dorahy turned things round pretty quickly.'"
Still, the hope (or expectation) was there with both groups. One failed miserably, Dorahy is up for dispute.
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There’s work to be done. We need so see improvement. Without that, it is the worst period of history since Dorohay, maybe even longer, and we know how long it took to recover from that'"
I'll "see" your John Dorahy, and"raise you" a Reggie Bowden.
There are similarities.
Replacing a coach, whose team finished in a high position, the season before.
Brought his mates and players with him
Long losing runs
Dire/aimless rugby.
True, Dorahy may not've been our finest hour, but, regardless of the stuff that Sally mentioned, he also brought in crowd favourites such as TKL and Henare., and we did stick in some exciting rugby, at times.
We need 2 points on Sunday. If not, we're further in trouble, as Wakefield /Toulouse will gain points on us. Get a kicking, the' dour Yarkshiremon's on VERY thin ice.
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| Hussain M'Barki and Steve Diamond, enough said LG.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Hussain M'Barki and Steve Diamond, enough said LG.'"
You're forgetting the legendary Dave Allen, MPN.
We might as well've signed his digit missing, comic namesake, who sat on a stool, drinking whiskey .
The grimmest days I've known as a Wire
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"I'll "see" your John Dorahy, and"raise you" a Reggie Bowden.
There are similarities.
Replacing a coach, whose team finished in a high position, the season before.
Brought his mates and players with him
Long losing runs
Dire/aimless rugby.
True, Dorahy may not've been our finest hour, but, regardless of the stuff that Sally mentioned, he also brought in crowd favourites such as TKL and Henare., and we did stick in some exciting rugby, at times.
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Dorahy's first (and only) full season was better than expected, given the near melt down we'd had at the end of the Centenary Season following Brian Johnson's resignation. But despite finishing 5th there was always a feeling that all was not well. Iestyn Harris was unhappy and it was inevitable that he was going to move on. We were clearly a long way off the pace of the top teams.
Everything unravelled quickly at the start of Dorahy's second season, Henare lost form and became a liability off the field, and Harris was sold to Leeds.
This was in general an era of watching Wire that I did not enjoy. After the highs of the Jonathan Davies era it felt so frustrating to watch the Wigan empire crumble and then see Bradford and Saints be the teams who were positioned to take advantage of the new era, and we were also rans, when a couple of years before we had looked as good a bet as anyone to take Wigan's crown.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"This was in general an era of watching Wire that I did not enjoy. After the highs of the Jonathan Davies era it felt so frustrating to watch the Wigan empire crumble and then see Bradford and Saints be the teams who were positioned to take advantage of the new era, and we were also rans, when a couple of years before we had looked as good a bet as anyone to take Wigan's crown.'"
The Davies-era 'spike' of good fortune, was exactly that - an opportunist moment with a bit of luck (Wigan were slightly poorer than usual that year).
I think some posters comparing our situation now to that of the late 90s / early 00s is a bit extreme. For most of that period we were a poor club, and a relatively poor team. We may be having a lull at the moment, but the club is arguably the strongest (along with Leeds) in Northern Hemisphere RL. This, of course, makes it all the more frustrating. Leeds have been through a similar period, and are just coming out of the trough, but can at least point to a decade of success prior to their own doldrums.
I am relatively optimistic compared to how I felt during the bad days of around 20 years ago. I'm more embarrassed and annoyed than despondent. I don't know whether Powell can fix us, but I'm prepared to give him the off-season to start afresh with his own squad. I honestly believe we would have been having a terrible season whoever came in as the new coach. I'm not sure we'd be as low on confidence, as I believe another coach may have tried to maintain the mediocrity rather than shaken things up so violently. I think we'd probably be somewhere around the the Hull or Cas level of performances - acceptable one week, rubbish the next - but not looking like a team who would ever challenge for honours. And we'd probably still be calling for the coach's head and asking for a drastic overhaul of the squad and asking why we kept hold of old and/or expensive 'stars' like Hill, Cooper, King, Charnley et al.
Powell's methods may well prove to be a good thing in the long term, so let's wait and see what happens.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"You're forgetting the legendary Dave Allen, MPN.
We might as well've signed his digit missing, comic namesake, who sat on a stool, drinking whiskey .
The grimmest days I've known as a Wire'"
Enough was said at M'Barki and Diamond. I knew deep down in my memory banks, that within the filing cabinet marked "never to be revisited" lurked a third former Fulham player. I've now had to re-label "never to be revisited and beware of prompts by LG".
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| Bob Jackson came to Wire at the same time.
He and Greg Mackey, are are among the best Aussies that I have watched at Warrington.
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| Quote ="Boss Hog"Bob Jackson came to Wire at the same time.
He and Greg Mackey, are are among the best Aussies that I have watched at Warrington.'"
Johnno Boyd Phil Blake for me but both Mackay and jacko were good.. remember Mackay making his debut at Central ok and wire fans saying who's this Greg Mackey..he destroyed Wigan that afternoon
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| Quote ="Boss Hog"Bob Jackson came to Wire at the same time.
He and Greg Mackey, are are among the best Aussies that I have watched at Warrington.'"
Bob Jackson did sign at the same time, but he's not in my filing cabinet draw marked "not to be revisited". Also, as Allen, Diamond and M'Barki didn't even empty my bins, on occasion, it's another reason that I make an exception for him.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"as Allen, Diamond and M'Barki didn't even empty my bins, on occasion'"
Obviously worked for Cheshire East council, as I've had the same issues.
Unless you'd put the wrong type of plastic in the recycling bin of course... then I've got no sympathy for you.
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| I reckon the Powell Out brigade haven’t got a clue about rugby.
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| Quote ="Fuzzy-Duck"I reckon the Powell Out brigade haven’t got a clue about rugby.'" Where have you been for the last 10 losses?Great win and some great individual performances but Cats had quite a few missing and how many teams bounce the week after playing Saints?Got to back this up not another Jekyll + Hyde performance.
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| Quote ="Fuzzy-Duck"I reckon the Powell Out brigade haven’t got a clue about rugby.'"
The Powell out brigade have been well justified for their sentiments recently.
Brilliant today for sure, but we are going back a while for the last good performance aren't we?
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| Much needed two points that takes some pressure off (especially Powell), but this one win cannot be counted as a complete solution given Catalan's were hampered missing players and were pretty awful. Good performance by Wire, let's move on and build on it.
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