There’s a thread on TRL with a mention of Walmsley paying the ball incorrectly prior to the no-try call.

Watching the match back you can see he doesn’t get up before he plays it so should have been a Warrington penalty.

To call the resolution of the death threat a publicity stunt is beyond words. We all shout at the ref but it’s easy to forget they’re people and that must have been genuinely frightening for his family.

Did anybody else spot Richard Silverwood on facebook criticising Hicks, saying a good ref takes the stick without complaining?

Im not sure about the Knowles try. You can’t see his hand on top of the ball, so the video footage we have is inconclusive. I get why Daints fans are frustrated but I also think that a champion team has to be good enough to win with luck against them.

If there is such a thing as "referee lean" uncle Eamon has just ensured that the lean if its there, is one way! He is a very silly man.

Quite. It's a real shame this happened and detracted from the true stories of the day, namely Warrington's performance and Saints continued inability to play well in big games. We certainly aren't a champion team, just a consistently good one.

But anyone who believes the reaction to Hicks' error is unique to Saints are wrong. You lot find it hilarious as it happened to us, so does the rest of the league, but almost every fan would be severely annoyed if that went against them in a final. You aren't telling me you'd be fine with it if Philbin gets to one at OT and it's smugly waved away by Thaler and Wigan go on to win the GF. People over react, it's passion, it's the reason we watch sport because of the emotions it stirs, it's what sports fans do.

No-one quite overreacts like you lot though eh?

We got shafted when ratchford got taken out by a cannonball at OT and when tomkins avoided a card last year. Id have been truly embarrassed if our club and particularly chairman had reacted by putting a message out about refereeing decisions. Absolutely classless.

That try is inconclusive I have yet to see a replay that shows a definite try, the officials do referee finals differently, slower PTBs, more goes unpunished etc and it sucks because it makes for a more boring spectacle but the teams who have learnt to adapt to that are the most successful ones and that's Wigan and Leeds.

Aparently every shop in St Helens is out of sour grapes after a huge unseasonable demand leading to the panic buying of them in huge quantities. Mcmanus must have stocked up for such an occasion as he seems to have plenty.

Running low on limes and pints of Bitter too..

Well said

We was on the wrong of the most blatent forward pass seen all season in the game v saints..yes us fans had a moan but did our owner moan and whinge..even now over a week after the game at Wembley your still on here complaining..

There you go again...
Start with a half nicey to soften the same trait. I'd prefer it if you just remove the first paragraph and post what you think and really want to say.
Struth, I hope Saints get to the Grand final now instead of Wigan so Wire can have you all screaming and crying until we back up again next season.

Of course you'd be disappointed if it happened to your own team and you'd call the ref all the names under the sun and cry about it over a pint! Its happened for eternity! That's life!
Would you expect the hierarchy of your club to try and humiliate the ref the RL and the opposition and accuse them of bias...of course you wouldn't
Nobody found it hilarious until you spat out your dummy revealed your class as a club and saw your chairman spewing venom!!
Like it or not it's a shadow that will stick for a long while and a perfect tool for the opposition fans to rip you and remind you at regular intervals!!

No one likes losing but I can't help feeling that the level of disappointment is due to the fact that they were overwhelming favourites and so feel that they have been robbed of their birthright.

Ps re re re watched it last night (while ironing!) it gets better every time!

I'm up to 4 times so far....
Sad

To be fair, it’s a try. In the real world, if he goes to the screen, it’s given. However... we don’t live in the real world. It would have gone up as no try, and Thaler would have scratched around for a way to disallow it (see Lineham for evidence)

I’d be upset if it went against me, I’d be fuming if it was a last minute winner ruled out. But will 77 minutes on the clock and no immediate reaction (we didn’t go down the other end and score), it’s pathetic.

Let’s face it, if the wingers put the ball down and Coote puts over the conversions it’s a draw. They had more than enough chances to take the game but didn’t execute. Publicity stunts don’t drop the ball over the line

I disagree that it was a try. The only photographic evidence I've seen from the blind side indicates that Knowles little finger is in contact with the side of the ball. Consequently, that tells me that there was no downward pressure on the ball, hence: no try.

...and no control. I'm with you. Hicks was Johnny on the spot.
No try

On the other hand & as we all know, these video refs have their own interpretation of downward pressure as we have seen against us in the past, but ok for our opponents. Any ref whether on the pitch or in front of a tv screen is liable to come up with different decisions to cover the same scenario. As i see it ,the problem is referee consistency.
The incident happened right in front of us & Knowles looked to have lost control of the ball.

I’m now in the “who cares” camp!

I’ve seen far worse given as tries, with Sky bleating about downward pressure and the next minute saying a fingertip is sufficient.

In the long run, who cares? They finally didn’t get the rub of the green, they’ve had plenty over the years, so they can go love themselves.

Touching the ball while on the ground is a try, if it goes up as a try. So long as there’s no separation. If it was the other way round, the majority on here would be claiming a try.

Downward pressure is a Stevo-ism.

You’re right. We all over react to the refs because we’re passionate about the game. I noticed I got less annoyed when watching on TV and realised there’s probably times I get angry and the ref, with a much better view than me, actually made the right call.

And sometimes fans go much too far. Throwing things on the pitch or, like that Warrington fan, issuing death threats.

But the thing that sets this situation apart is the fact that a senior, official representative of Saints has trivialised the death threat situation. That’s not okay.

Spot on BW.

The problem I have with Saints' reaction is that it's not only the fans, your average Joe, I can accept that, we would going mad on here, it's their supposed 'top man'...they should be embarrassed

A big complaint was the officiating at the ruck, I'd love the rfl to come back with a list of every time we should have had a penalty for hands on when we were playing the ball or yards stolen by saints when they were playing the ball or tackled. They pushed the limit to what they got away with.

We were the better team, it was basic but it was carried out with a ruthless determination, high completion rate, play for territory, our defence was incredible to keep a side as good as saints out. I know that bryson Goodwin tackle won't ever get the same recognition as Danny Houghtons on currie even though goodwins effort was far, far better. They lost their belief and started to panic moving the ball around and making errors. They were patient in our league games, they were confident that we would break and their game plan was to really put us on the back foot and shatter out belief when they got their noses in front, it worked each time and I really think they turned up believing that the same outcome would happen, we would break and the floodgates open. Trouble for them is that we didn't break and us completing sets and finding grass with the kick gave them a lot to do on their sets. As it turned out too much to do and then for a change we broke them when it mattered. It was complacency on their part that led them to believe that they could turn up and we would wilt, I can only assume they mustn't have considered any other scenario as they didn't seem to have a plan B.

Always said that the occasion, game intensity and unique pitch of Wembley...will catch you out if you're not 100% fit.
Saints carried at least 3 unfit players and made 19 errors...that would floor any team into defeat.
After near 20 years of the upper hand over Wire....to accuse Hicks and Wire as the reason Saints got defeated is shathousery.
McManus is bitter and twisted in thoughts.