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| Quote ="Wires71"I am not a BNP supporter, however for the purpose of informed discussion, their stated policy is concerned with controlling the levels of immigration both caucasian and otherwise which by all main political party's admission is out of control. They also wish to facilitate non-caucasian British citizens to return to their country of ethnic origin should they so wish.
So in answer to your question no, the BNP member would not refuse treatment from a black consultant. In addition you may like to consider that some BNP members are non-caucasian.
Furthermore I do not recall the BNP having a policy which condones sexual offences. I think you may have made that bit up.'"
several members of the BNP hiarachy have coinvictions for rape, admit the BNP are just the NF in suits, go on i dare you
oh and if the BNP had their way the black consultant would have been "sent back to where they came from" to coin a NF comment i've actually heard at a protest!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"several members of the BNP hiarachy have coinvictions for rape, admit the BNP are just the NF in suits, go on i dare you
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so have labour..
they bin rapin me for years.
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| Quote ="mark_m"You're the chief goal-post mover here; it was you said India was more crowded than Englnd when simply it isn't. And Japan has been the most nationalist, inward looking country on earth for hundreds of years; check your history books.
And with regard to the NHS, why shoud healthcare be a free option for all. Somebody above mentioned drug users as an example; why the **** have I worked all my life to pay for people who deliberately abuse themselves? Thye should be bloody sent a bill.'"
rubish post 1945 japan has not been at all nationalist!
and i said india was comperable not more crowded.
drug users should recieve free health care,every one should, as stated earlier, where do you draW the line?
seriously where,
no free health care for...........according to mark m
1. drug users
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come on!
what if some one else writes the list and puts bigots on it that leaves you screwed!
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| Quote ="Wires71"
Furthermore I do not recall the BNP having a policy which condones sexual offences. I think you may have made that bit up.'"
[url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-details/Women+more+troubled+by+bag+theft+than+rape,+BNP+candidate+claims/article.doRape is akin to force feeding a woman chocolate[/url
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| Quote ="'Hitman' Norvern Soul"[url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-details/Women+more+troubled+by+bag+theft+than+rape,+BNP+candidate+claims/article.doRape is akin to force feeding a woman chocolate[/url'"
thank you i was looking for that, god they are vile
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| Quote ="slimwire66"thank you i was looking for that, god they are vile'"
I am going to discontinue my devil's advocate stance now as that article is shocking.
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| Quote ="'Hitman' Norvern Soul"[url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-details/Women+more+troubled+by+bag+theft+than+rape,+BNP+candidate+claims/article.doRape is akin to force feeding a woman chocolate[/url'"
Jesus wept. I think I'm lost for words.
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| I just can't believe what I've just read!!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"i'm not suprised with your belief systems, seig heil
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You sir are an idiot. At no point have I mentioned my support for the BNP or anything like it. Try reading the posts again and also try and educate yourself. In fact I find that comment 'seig heil' really offensive.
And whether you want to accept it or not the most racist people on this planet will certainly not be the average white Englishman who are the most tolerant and accepting people you will ever find. Try sampling the hatred behind Indians and Pakistanis (particularly if you factor in religious differences). Although according to you the only racism is stemming from white people against black people.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I meant to say drugtakers put themselves into a position of danger. Although statistically ecstasy causes less deaths per year in the UK than peanut allergies.
Moving the argument on to it's rather tedious conclusion:- Under your scheme the "drugtaker" has overdosed on Heroin and requires immediate medical assistance or they will die. Said drugtaker doesn't have the funds to pay for his/her treatment. What happens next?
If you are considering a "let them die" reply then it's the end of the argument for me. If you are considering a "well in that case we will pay" you have just advocated a means tested health service. Either way its the end of the NHS as we know it.'"
Treat them and then hand them a bill for the treatment and for good measure get the Police to arrest them when they are discharged. That might help with the £15bn deficit. Put it this way something will have to be done; changes will always be unpalatable.
By the way, eating penauts is not illegal.
And before Slim pipes up (although he never actually reads other people comments never mind about understanding them), both my parents worked for the NHS for over thirty years and I do support the principle and it makes me sad to see the current state of the hospitals.
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Quote ="slimwire66"rubish post 1945 japan has not been at all nationalist!
and i said india was comperable not more crowded.
drug users should recieve free health care,every one should, as stated earlier, where do you draW the line?
seriously where,
no free health care for...........according to mark m
1. drug users
2, ? smokers
3.?drinkers
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come on!
what if some one else writes the list and puts bigots on it that leaves you screwed!
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Go on then boy genius, why am I a bigot. I await your explanation with facts and then an apology.
Oh and the Japanese are very insular and nationalistic with long standing distrust (if not hatred of foreigners). Sorry you are wrong again. I have found this for you to read;
www.globaled.org/japanproject/le ... on01_3.php
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Quote ="slimwire66"rubish post 1945 japan has not been at all nationalist!
and i said india was comperable not more crowded.
drug users should recieve free health care,every one should, as stated earlier, where do you draW the line?
seriously where,
no free health care for...........according to mark m
1. drug users
2, ? smokers
3.?drinkers
4.?
come on!
what if some one else writes the list and puts bigots on it that leaves you screwed!
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Go on then boy genius, why am I a bigot. I await your explanation with facts and then an apology.
Oh and the Japanese are very insular and nationalistic with long standing distrust (if not hatred of foreigners). Sorry you are wrong again. I have found this for you to read;
www.globaled.org/japanproject/le ... on01_3.php
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| When it comes th the NHS, there are lots of things i wouldn't treat, Fertility tratment and Gastric band surgery to name two. IMO the Nhs should be used to treat conditions that affect the patient's health and well being that they cannot do for themselves.
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| Quote ="howks1030"I just can't believe what I've just read!!
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Seems to me that bloke would fit right into parliament I dare say he would find plenty of others on a similar wavelength. Right bunch of deviants.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Seems to me that bloke would fit right into parliament I dare say he would find plenty of others on a similar wavelength. Right bunch of deviants.'"
Mark what do you know about Politics?
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| Quote ="mark_m"By the way, eating penauts is not illegal.
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Neither is smoking or drinking alcohol, but I dare say these take up as much, if not more, NHS resources than heroin addiction.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Treat them and then hand them a bill for the treatment and for good measure get the Police to arrest them when they are discharged. That might help with the £15bn deficit. Put it this way something will have to be done; changes will always be unpalatable.
By the way, eating penauts is not illegal.
And before Slim pipes up (although he never actually reads other people comments never mind about understanding them), both my parents worked for the NHS for over thirty years and I do support the principle and it makes me sad to see the current state of the hospitals.'"
Why not legalise drugs and sell them over the counter??
It would quickly put paid to the smugglers dealers barons etc and tidy up a lot of the city streets!
Tax the drugs to the same extent as beer and alcohol thus creating billions of pounds for the health service.
Out of these funds create a campaign warning about the dangers of drugs in a similar way that has been done with cigarettes
Ok it'd never irradicate drug abuse but what would?? At least it'd create the oppurtunity to understand the depth of the problems and give a greater understanding of how to deal with the situation!
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| Quote ="Albino Wolf 2"Why not legalise drugs and sell them over the counter??
It would quickly put paid to the smugglers dealers barons etc and tidy up a lot of the city streets!
Tax the drugs to the same extent as beer and alcohol thus creating billions of pounds for the health service.'"
How would this ever work, i presume your not on about Cocaine, Special K, Speed, Crystals etc etc because if you were going to sell these over the counter the NHS would have to charge an arm and a leg to make money especially if you going to tax it, so it would still be cheaper from the dealer.
Cannabis should be given to sufferers of MS and such like and probably methadone to get Heroine addicts of the hard stuff but apart from that what do you propose to do with the other drugs.
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| Quote ="Albino Wolf 2"
It would quickly put paid to the smugglers dealers barons etc and tidy up a lot of the city streets!
Tax the drugs to the same extent as beer and alcohol thus creating billions of pounds for the health service.
'" I doubt it would stop the smugglers and the back street trade and your next point hits upon the reason why. By the time they have taxed them the price will be sky high on them so people will still go elsewhere to look for their fix in order to save money.
I agree that certain drugs such as cannabis should be legalised - on prescription at least - but I think the legalise them all is getting into risky ground in more ways than one!
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| Quote ="gateaux"I doubt it would stop the smugglers and the back street trade and your next point hits upon the reason why. By the time they have taxed them the price will be sky high on them so people will still go elsewhere to look for their fix in order to save money.
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Correct. See how cheap fags end up on the black market, or even bought legally on the continent and brought 'home' in suitcases. No doubt more illicity drugs are as Cheap on the Costas as the cigs and booze (generally) are.
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| Quote ="gateaux"I doubt it would stop the smugglers and the back street trade and your next point hits upon the reason why. By the time they have taxed them the price will be sky high on them so people will still go elsewhere to look for their fix in order to save money.
I agree that certain drugs such as cannabis should be legalised - on prescription at least - but I think the legalise them all is getting into risky ground in more ways than one!'"
I think it was Panorama a couple of years ago that claimed that if they were manufactured and processed legally drugs that were available on the street at a value of £1000 could be produced for less than £1
It'd stand an awful lot of tax at that rate.......plus it'd be clean and genuine!
I know it doesn't sit right morally and I'm not suggesting it is right but it's an arguement that does have its points!
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| Quote ="Albino Wolf 2"I think it was Panorama a couple of years ago that claimed that if they were manufactured and processed legally drugs that were available on the street at a value of £1000 could be produced for less than £1
It'd stand an awful lot of tax at that rate.......plus it'd be clean and genuine!
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What kind of drugs are we on about here because i can guarantee that the strong drugs cant be made clean and genuine for less than a £1.
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| Quote ="Albino Wolf 2"I think it was Panorama a couple of years ago that claimed that if they were manufactured and processed legally drugs that were available on the street at a value of £1000 could be produced for less than £1
It'd stand an awful lot of tax at that rate.......plus it'd be clean and genuine!
I know it doesn't sit right morally and I'm not suggesting it is right but it's an arguement that does have its points!'" The fact it is clean would push up the price though as a lot of what is available on the streets is cut with god knows what in order to make it stretch and boost profits.
By the time you have transported the drugs over here, packaged them and taxed them the price they were being sold for would be much more than that - and the retailers at every step of the chain would would want to make a profit so the price even before the tax would be much higher than your £1 then with the added on tax then you would still get the problem if them being sold illegally as whatever the price the shops are selling it for the dealers would be able to undercut
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"What kind of drugs are we on about here because i can guarantee that the strong drugs cant be made clean and genuine for less than a £1.'"
No you can't
That was the claim! It was either heroin or cocaine, it may have been both.
If the whole industry was legalised, the competition, the improved processing methods, the availabilty of raw materials etc!.............as cheap as manufacturing paracetamol.
The other intersting aspect they looked at was the creation of thousands of jobs as well!
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| Quote ="Albino Wolf 2"
No you can't
That was the claim! It was either heroin or cocaine, it may have been both.
If the whole industry was legalised, the competition, the improved processing methods, the availabilty of raw materials etc!.............as cheap as manufacturing paracetamol.
The other intersting aspect they looked at was the creation of thousands of jobs as well!'"
the trouble with legalising is there will still be junkies who will still steal rob and kill to get them.
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