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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Tomkins not being in is joke.
Carvell should in in ahead of Westwood.
I only hope he is using this as another warm up match.'"
I agree with all of the above - but the last point is hopefully the main one - I think he's playing Myler again to see if he can improve and get back to where he was asap - as he already knows what Tomkins can do.
I think if we were playing the Kiwi's or Aussies that wouldn't be the team! Well, I hope anyway!
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Tomkins not being in is joke.
Carvell should in in ahead of Westwood.
I only hope he is using this as another warm up match.'"
I agree that Tomkins should have a place.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"At club level, this is "International" where so far Smith has failed miserably.'"
As opposed to our more succesful coaches of th past 20 years? Grow up and stop hating on him cause he's our coach.
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| Quote ="Buc"As opposed to our more succesful coaches of th past 20 years? Grow up and stop hating on him cause he's our coach.'"
He wasn't your coach at the World Cup last year was he? I think England fans had their opinions of him then aswell. This has sweet fa to do with Wire.
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| Quote ="Buc"I agree that Tomkins should have a place.'"
I wish Tony Smith would agree.
He is actually a disgrace to our international game. He has lost all my respect. I think even wire fans will admitt this is a huge cockup from your coach.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"I wish Tony Smith would agree.
He is actually a disgrace to our international game. He has lost all my respect. I think even wire fans will admitt this is a huge cockup from your coach.'"
no it isn't were playing france for christs sake.
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| Quote ="the tache is back"no it isn't were playing france for christs sake.'"
And the week after we play the greatest australian side for quite sometime. This game is massive, it's the last game before we play the aussies. We should be playing Tomkins and McGuire letting them hit off some partnership before the big one.
Instead Tony Smith has ruined Englands chances like he did at the WC. He should stick to club rugby, he is good with that.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"And the week after we play the greatest australian side for quite sometime. This game is massive, it's the last game before we play the aussies. We should be playing Tomkins and McGuire letting them hit off some partnership before the big one.
Instead Tony Smith has ruined Englands chances like he did at the WC. He should stick to club rugby, he is good with that.'"
Stop talking nonsense man for once. IF the performance against France isn't good enough then come back then with your moaning, but until the game has taken place then for God's sake take a hike
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| Quote ="the tache is back"no it isn't were playing france for christs sake.'"
We cant go into the game with an attitude like that.
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| Quote ="WalterWizard"Stop talking nonsense man for once. IF the performance against France isn't good enough then come back then with your moaning, but until the game has taken place then for God's sake take a hike
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Sorry, didn't realise he was allowed to have an opinion? Let's all be boring and agree that Smith is the best coach in the world
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| Quote ="WalterWizard"Stop talking nonsense man for once. IF the performance against France isn't good enough then come back then with your moaning, but until the game has taken place then for God's sake take a hike
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It is not about the result against France!
The france game is preperation for the biggest game since the WC against the aussies, if we played Tomkins and McGuire in this game then they would be much better off for the game against the aussies, infact the whole team would benefit.
Please someone try and justify this decision. How do I talk nonsense, go on I dare you to justify Smiths decision.
Myler might have a great game and score a few tries but thats not the point, Tomkins did that in the last game when they both played and should be playing in this game as preperation.
Myler selection is simply a perk or signing for wire.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"He wasn't your coach at the World Cup last year was he? I think England fans had their opinions of him then aswell. This has sweet fa to do with Wire.'"
You failed to mention his record in relation to previous coaches? People for years have moaned about youth not being given a chance or coaches going with the same old players, well Che is trying to blood new players. I agree that Tomkins should be in there but Myler had earnt his stripes against the French last time, granted that Myler was awful against the Welsh possibly with him not having played for 3 months.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"At club level, this is "International" where so far Smith has failed miserably.'"
Care to highight the successful ones in the past forty years?
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"It is not about the result against France!
The france game is preperation for the biggest game since the WC against the aussies, if we played Tomkins and McGuire in this game then they would be much better off for the game against the aussies, infact the whole team would benefit.
Please someone try and justify this decision. How do I talk nonsense, go on I dare you to justify Smiths decision.
Myler might have a great game and score a few tries but thats not the point, Tomkins did that in the last game when they both played and should be playing in this game as preperation.
Myler selection is simply a perk or signing for wire.'"
have you tried ringing the club shop?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Care to highight the successful ones in the past forty years?'"
David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.'"
So the answer to his question was "I cant".
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.'"
David Waite the head coach/technical whatever for the 4-44 mauling?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"David Waite the head coach/technical whatever for the 4-44 mauling?'"
Nowhere near as bad as Smiths disaster as the 50 plus record in Melbourne last year. Never ever been so embarassed being an England fan, I can actually say that as I was there. We was lucky to just beat PNG ffs!
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| IMO i think tomkins should start ahead of myler, bench is weak carvell should be in instead of westwood but im aure the team will be diffrent for the oz and NZ games
cant see us losing againts the frogs though, so take the win and improve what we are missing
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| Quote ="LiamPb"IMO i think tomkins should start ahead of myler, bench is weak carvell should be in instead of westwood but im aure the team will be diffrent for the oz and NZ games
cant see us losing againts the frogs though, so take the win and improve what we are missing'"
tbh I think Westwood should be there, IMO Carvell should be in ahead of Eastmond. I fail to see what impact Eastmond can bring when I can't see him taking off McGuire or Myler. I also worry with Eastmonds size against a big French team, he often goes into hiding and makes easy excuses to try and come off the pitch if things aren't going his way.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"Nowhere near as bad as Smiths disaster as the 50 plus record in Melbourne last year. Never ever been so embarassed being an England fan, I can actually say that as I was there. We was lucky to just beat PNG ffs!'"
Were you there for the 64-12 stuffing in Australia too?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Were you there for the 64-12 stuffing in Australia too?'"
You can't blame Waite for that, the players didn't want to go and was at the wrong time of year. Read Rads book, he has the upmost respect for DW. I'd much rather take notice of a highly respectable player rather than a fan of the game.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"You can't blame Waite for that, the players didn't want to go and was at the wrong time of year. Read Rads book, he has the upmost respect for DW. I'd much rather take notice of a highly respectable player rather than a fan of the game.'"
Radlinski cites multiple examples of the lack of nouse from the game's administrators.
What about the 12-40 hammering a few months later back home, under Waite's stewardship?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Radlinski cites multiple examples of the lack of nouse from the game's administrators.
What about the 12-40 hammering a few months later back home, under Waite's stewardship?'"
What about the 50 point drubbing last year under Smith?
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue" I also worry with Eastmonds size against a big French team, he often goes into hiding and makes easy excuses to try and come off the pitch if things aren't going his way.'"
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