Matautia sent one for Vaughan….that did sweet fa. Peet/Radlinski love a bit of Thurston/Hastingsesque - ‘look at me i’m lovely’ nausea.

I don't recall Thompson doing anything?? What was it?

The late hit on Elliot Minchella which resulted in the penalty from which KR scored their two points.

I'm gonna drop this in here, rather than start a new Fred https://x.com/T2Rugby/status/1854200676 ... aqWEA&s=19

I'm gonna drop this in here, rather than start a new Fred https://x.com/T2Rugby/status/1854200676 ... aqWEA&s=19

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... view-panel

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... view-panel

Crikey, can someone explain how many points earns you a ban? What a stupid system.

[quote="matt_wire":2czja31m]Crikey, can someone explain how many points earns you a ban? What a stupid system.[/quote:2czja31m] 6 to 11 pts gets a one match ban. The system has been up-dated since this article was published, and all players start this season on zero points thanks to Sam Burgess`s criticism of points being loaded onto players` for last season`s indiscretions :- https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... y-overhaul

[quote="matt_wire":2czja31m]Crikey, can someone explain how many points earns you a ban? What a stupid system.[/quote:2czja31m] 6 to 11 pts gets a one match ban. The system has been up-dated since this article was published, and all players start this season on zero points thanks to Sam Burgess`s criticism of points being loaded onto players` for last season`s indiscretions :- https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... y-overhaul

Final edition of this season`s disciplinary rules, with some further alterations:- https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... -for-2025-

Final edition of this season`s disciplinary rules, with some further alterations:- https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... -for-2025-

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... view-panel

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... view-panel

[quote="karetaker":10zg53yn]https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63464/disciplinary-%7C-match-review-panel[/quote:10zg53yn] Adam Keighran was lucky to not get sent off. Was a right smash to the head of a prone player and I didn't see what the mitigation was (other than he was playing for Wigan at home).

Interesting to note that 3 Stains players picked up points in what was effectively an uncontested run out. Do they have a discipline problem?

[quote="RoyalWire":qcw8vhgm]Interesting to note that 3 Stains players picked up points in what was effectively an uncontested run out. Do they have a discipline problem?[/quote:qcw8vhgm] No they don’t. Mr Cullen and his gang just like to pick on them to give the Saints fans more to moan about.

[quote="Wires71":2x6odtpc]Adam Keighran was lucky to not get sent off. Was a right smash to the head of a prone player and I didn't see what the mitigation was (other than he was playing for Wigan at home).[/quote:2x6odtpc] The mitigation was that he'd done it a few tackles previously and gotten away with it!

If a player gets sin binned does that add to his points tally ? Does a red card also add points to players tally or is the sending off sufficient ?

[quote="ninearches":1yk4uiai]If a player gets sin binned does that add to his points tally ? Does a red card also add points to players tally or is the sending off sufficient ?[/quote:1yk4uiai] I can`t see any reference to a sin binning, but I`ve only speed read it so I may have missed it? A red card incurs 2 less points to the penalty points for the misdemeanor if the player was sent-off in the first half and 1 point less if dismissed in the 2nd half. https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... -for-2025-

[quote="ninearches":1yk4uiai]If a player gets sin binned does that add to his points tally ? Does a red card also add points to players tally or is the sending off sufficient ?[/quote:1yk4uiai] I can`t see any reference to a sin binning, but I`ve only speed read it so I may have missed it? A red card incurs 2 less points to the penalty points for the misdemeanor if the player was sent-off in the first half and 1 point less if dismissed in the 2nd half. https://www.rugby-league.com/article/63 ... -for-2025-

This is interesting: "The rules around unreasonable and/or frivolous challenges have been toughened up, meaning that any unsuccessful challenge to a charge of Grades A-D will automatically incur five penalty points to the player’s record." So they are now saying that any unsuccessful appeal will be deemed frivolous and punished. The right of appeal is central to any fair judicial system, but they seem hell-bent on taking that right away, or at least making it too risky to embark upon. Doesn't sit right with me at all, that.

[quote="The Speculator":1y8ur68j]This is interesting: "The rules around unreasonable and/or frivolous challenges have been toughened up, meaning that any unsuccessful challenge to a charge of Grades A-D will automatically incur five penalty points to the player’s record." So they are now saying that any unsuccessful appeal will be deemed frivolous and punished. The right of appeal is central to any fair judicial system, but they seem hell-bent on taking that right away, or at least making it too risky to embark upon. Doesn't sit right with me at all, that.[/quote:1y8ur68j] Our neighbours in WA9 are sure to think that this amendment is to stop them from making so many appeals against the judiciary decisions. It`s a conspiracy!!!

[quote="BOSS HOG":3kagrix0]Our neighbours in WA9 are sure to think that this amendment is to stop them from making so many appeals against the judiciary decisions. It`s a conspiracy!!![/quote:3kagrix0] Actually made my day seeing that. So many failed appeals last season with no repercussions was crazy.

[quote="karetaker":2c62364g]Actually made my day seeing that. So many failed appeals last season with no repercussions was crazy.[/quote:2c62364g] But there will come a time (probably several times) during the season when a Wire player gets punished, we will believe it is unfair, but we will not appeal it because it is now too risky. I don't see why the panel can't just judge each appeal on its merits rather than deeming every appeal to be unreasonable. If Saints, or anyone else, keep making frivolous appeals, then keep punishing them, but why tar everyone with the same brush?

Because appeals are largely just a drain on the game's resources to the benefit of lawyers. At some point, just as players do on the field, you have to take the authorities' ruling on an issue and move on. You can still appeal and, presumably, if you can bring compelling new evidence to a case, you can win your appeal. But clubs have increasingly been using appeals as a means to postpone suspensions without bringing any new reasoning to the table.

[quote="The Speculator":3n89l6dl]But there will come a time (probably several times) during the season when a Wire player gets punished, we will believe it is unfair, but we will not appeal it because it is now too risky. I don't see why the panel can't just judge each appeal on its merits rather than deeming every appeal to be unreasonable. If Saints, or anyone else, keep making frivolous appeals, then keep punishing them, but why tar everyone with the same brush?[/quote:3n89l6dl] If you have a genuine case then I would not be afraid. Saints were appealing if the offence were blatantly obvious and their claim would be it was the other players fault for being there.

[quote="karetaker":83gb2hsx]If you have a genuine case then I would not be afraid. Saints were appealing if the offence were blatantly obvious and their claim would be it was the other players fault for being there.[/quote:83gb2hsx] I really hope you're right, and I do get this side of the argument. I just fear there will come a time when we feel very aggrieved over an incident but also feel unable to appeal it because of the possibility of increased punishment. It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, tests the water with an appeal this season. We always feel we have a genuine case with these things, but the panel rarely sees it that way. As Just Browny said earlier, it will probably end up where you just have to accept the ruling and move on, unless you find yourself in a 'nothing to lose' situation, where a player would miss a final, for example.

[quote="The Speculator":1zvc1kj9]. The right of appeal is central to any fair judicial system, but they seem hell-bent on taking that right away, or at least making it too risky to embark upon. Doesn't sit right with me at all, that.[/quote:1zvc1kj9] But there is no appeal against a yellow card or red card during a game when arguably the loss of a player in game is the biggest impact. The disciplinary ruling has to be accepted and quite rightly. We need to stop the frivolous appeal process just because a club does not like the outcome and lawyer up.

Rugby League is a simple game but the powers that be are making the understanding of the game farcical . Rule changes every season that are hard to follow during the viewing of games & disciplinary procedures that could diminish even further a teams ability to play its best side & if individual player know their scores are totting up it'll be like playing with one arm tied behind his back.

Lewis on 3 points from last week, chances are he will get 3 more after tonight.