Smith seems to have changed the way the players set and get back into position, each player was facing the ruck, then looking right then looking left over their shoulder whilst getting on side then checking again when back on side. It was virtually synchronised with all their head movements. Never seen it like that before!

You've already had answers, but I'll give you one more.

This week, as mentioned Smith has worked hard on the line, a new approach at defending, if Penny had played, he could equally have been part of this impreeive regime. The week before, they had enough joy (Quins) elsewhere. If you find a hole, keep going back, they did, a dozen times unfortunately.

Now, I know what your implying, that Penny is out and tries haven't been scored on the left, which they have. Penny went off against Saints at level scores, we kept conceding, we got trounced at home to Catalans, tries down the left, Wakefield - tries down the left. Go back to last year, Penny was dropped for spells, and guess what happened ? We conceded tries down the left.

Turn your point around - Have we had Penny in the side, and beaten sides without them exposing him & King ? Yes, we have - Leeds at home last year etc. You'll have games were sides can't get to your weakness, or you manage to stop them, or they find another weakness etc. Barge overs has always been another of ours, two & three men in attendance and someone pushes over from 1-2m out for example.

You've just got it into your head, that Penny is the problem, which he isn't, and you can't get past that, so you make stuff up. He plays on an area of the pitch that has been problematic, and seen various combinations tried, and exposed, for exactly the same reasons, Penny & King, King & PJ, Grix & King and on and on.

You also say that Penny is poor for the reserves, his defence is still weak etc, well, apart from Quins away, you can't have seen much of him, as your posting on here every Saturday afternoon for most of the afternoon, so maybe your time would've been better spent actually going and seeing him and giving us a more informed opinion.

I am led to believe he hasn't seen Penny play in the reserves.

We only conceded 1 try down the left against Catalans and 1 against Wakefield but let's forget that because i don't want to be splitting hairs all afternoon.
I don't go all the reserve matches but ive seen Penny play twice for the reserves this year and i wouldn't say he was a good defender, i understand he needs more experience and so on.
Early in the year (after the Hull friendly) i agreed with you that Penny looked well in defence and had bulked up and became stronger so it's not that im against Penny or want him to fail, if he plays well i have no problem in saying so but i feel his defence needs to improve before he get's back in the 1st team.

Don't know who led you there but they were wrong to do so.

Go on then Wayne Bennett; explain that sweeping generalisation.

Name me wingers you have seen, who have destroyed Penny in a game, ie, run over the top of him, handed him off, bumped him off etc in either the first team or the 21's that gives you the belief that his defence is bad ?

Forget where people have dove in the corner, because he's been caught 5m off the wing etc, as we've covered this, it's the left side defence that's the problem, like it caught King out against Catalans and numerous times last year when he replaced Penny on the wing.

Which games did you got to?

His positional play isn't great, this has been evident in both reserve games that i have seen.

Wakefield and Harlequins.

That's not defence, that's team organisation and knowing your role within that. He's never played in an organised Warrington side, well, in fact he has, two games, last year Saint away, Leeds home. We all thought Jimmy had fixed us, we defended so well, beat Leeds, ran Saints to the brink, how many tries were scored down the left in those games ? How many times was Penny exposed ?

Kevin Penny is more than capable of fitting into a structured Warrington Wolves side, now & again, he'll make an error, all players will. We conceded two tries on Sunday, somebody will be to blame, there's always a root cause, I'm confident he'll be more than capable when he gets his chance.

What can he do to improve his positional play?

The only person that springs to mind is Peter Fox last year, i have never said people has run over the top of him or handed him off, his positional play is the problem with his defence.
I said in my last post he looked stronger and had put some bulk on, he forced Gardener out against Saints and somebody else in the Hull KR friendly, his strength isn't his problem.

You went all the way to Wakefield to watch the Reserves? I'm impressed!

Tee hee. I thought that too, fair play to anybody who did that.

Well whatever you want to call it, it's not good enough for 1st team Rugby at the moment, a lot of people think Tony Smith is the man to teach him the ways of Rugby, i hope there right but for the time being leave him were he is.

I think he's hoping that it was played pre-match so he can claim he watched it.

Im glad to hear it.

You're MAY be exposed for the liar that you are. The reserves played on the saturday I think.

It was played the next day.

Ive just said.

How did you watch it then when a minute ago it was pre-match? Make your mind, to be a good liar you need a good memory.

What did you make of Penny's tries and all round display?

Can your point out were i said it was pre-match

You said a minute ago it was played before the 1st team game then quickly edited your post, why are you lying about watching Kevin Penny play in a reserve game at Wakefield?

right i'm fed up of the bickering AGAIN! and this has gone round in circles so i'm locking it.