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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"You know my stance on this and I'm very consistent on it. That scoreline, looks good (and from a Wire pov I understand the post)
However, from a RL pov it doesn't help. The HKR players will have gone away thinking what have we done and the Wire lads, this is too easy.
It doesn't prepare either side for the next level, which is what academy rugby should be about.
It's not anti Wire, =#FF0000it's just a poor indication of the state of our game in general at academy level. Prime example being the recent win against Australia when our two teams provided 80% of the players.'"
or in could be a good indication of how good the Warrington youth system is
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| Quote ="the original stevo"or in could be a good indication of how good the Warrington youth system is
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Or how poor the majority of MOST other teams youth systems are, which trust me is sadly much closer to the truth.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"icon_rolleyes.gif
Have a look through my posts for the last five years about academy rugby and you'll see what I mean.
And I'm talking from a RL perspective and from watching a team that has coasted winning the last three U20 academy finals.'"
Come off it mate. You knew I was talking about it being a great result for Wire, maybe not for acedemy RL but it's a damn good result for us. Putting 62 on any team, without conceeding is a great result for any team.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Come off it mate. You new I was talking about it being a great result for Wire, maybe not for acedemy RL but it's a damn good result for us. Putting 62 on any team, without conceeding is a great result.'"
Do you think it was a "great result" for academy Rugby League?
And that was the point I was making, and have been making even when Wigan were putting similar scores on the likes of Leeds and Saints.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"
Do you think it was a "great result" for academy Rugby League?'"
Does this not answer your question?
Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"maybe not for acedemy RL'"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you think it was a "great result" for academy Rugby League?
And that was the point I was making, and have been making even when Wigan were putting similar scores on the likes of Leeds and Saints.'"
No, obviously not a great result for "RL", as we want to make the competetion as close and as competetive as we can. I Interpreted my comment about "great result" towards Wire because it is a great result for Warrington, isn't it not? I think you've misread it, Rogues.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"No, obviously not a great result for "RL", as we want to make the competetion as close and as competetive as we can. I Interpreted my comment about "great result" towards Wire because it is a great result for Warrington, isn't it not? I think you've misread it, Rogues.'"
I did, and as you have pointed out I was mistaken.
It's just that I've had this argument so many times with Wigan fans when our academy team has been walloping other teams. It really doesn't help them in their preparation for the next level, hence why so many of our young player are going out on loan (the academy league isn't strong enough)
I don't want to hijack the thread, but would it not be a good idea to let the stronger academy teams play in the Championship, thus allowing them to stay (and be still coached) with their parent clubs?
Wigan went to and beat Barrow in a pre season friendly in a really competitive game, which is what we need to develop the youngsters.
As you can see this is a subject I an very passionate about.
And I also stated that I would have given up last years Wigan Superleague victory for a RL four nations and World Cup win.
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| So Rogue, what's your take on Wigan in the 80's ?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No it isn't.
What good does that do Warrington or HKR youngsters?'"
It's a fabulous result. One thing Warrington have failed to do in Superleague is turn pressure into points. Maybe the new generation of Wire player has the killer instinct. Maybe HKR realise that they need to improve
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| And I think this is the Warrington board? Last week we had a horrendous time in Cardiff, now our U20s give us something to smile about and someone has to come and spoil it.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"You know my stance on this and I'm very consistent on it. That scoreline, looks good (and from a Wire pov I understand the post)
However, from a RL pov it doesn't help. The HKR players will have gone away thinking what have we done and the Wire lads, this is too easy.
It doesn't prepare either side for the next level, which is what academy rugby should be about.
It's not anti Wire, it's just a poor indication of the state of our game in general at academy level. Prime example being the recent win against Australia when our two teams provided 80% of the players.'"
I don't think you know the Wire lads mate. I can assure you that they were not thinking that it was too easy.
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| In fairness to Rogues, he has made multiple references to the quality of the Academy/U20s being quite disparate.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"
I don't want to hijack the thread, but would it not be a good idea to let the stronger academy teams play in the Championship, thus allowing them to stay (and be still coached) with their parent club'"
Good idea but how can it work and be fair at the same time.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Or how poor the majority of MOST other teams youth systems are, which trust me is sadly much closer to the truth.'"
Warrington,wigan,saints,leeds and hull fc (to a degree)have decent youth systems can't say about the others as i don't know much on theirs quins certainley seem to be improving aswell so its not all bad
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| Alot of those players that played yesterday are still eligible to play for the U18's but with a couple of 1st teamers in the side that is still a really bad result for Rovers.
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| so if his mob thrash bradford 62-0 this afternoon it will be a bad result...never heard such garbage spoken..if memory serves me right wigan walloped a few teams last season salford being one of them,was that a bad day for rugby league..
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| Also the young Wire deserve congratulations. They worked hard, got a great result for the team and should be applauded. What signal are we giving them if we never congratulate a good performance in case we embarrass the losing team? It's a competition - winning and losing is the norm, and it is academy rugby not mini-league.
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| Quote ="Milly"Also the young Wire deserve congratulations. They worked hard, got a great result for the team and should be applauded. What signal are we giving them if we never congratulate a good performance in case we embarrass the losing team? It's a competition - winning and losing is the norm, and it is academy rugby not mini-league.'"
The American's have a mentality that a team shouldn't "run up the score". I don't think think we should adopt that mentality. The lads worked hard and showed a lot of determination to not lose focus while they were winning.
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| Quote ="Easty"Alot of those players that played yesterday are still eligible to play for the U18's but with a couple of 1st teamers in the side that is still a really bad result for Rovers.'"
Ditto for Warrington.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Ditto for Warrington.'"
indeed GDMM; we had 6 players who are still eligible for the Under 18s and only Rhys Evans has any Super League experience with 1 substitiute appearance(Harlequins away last September).
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| Great result for our boys... and for rugby league.
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| didn't our academy put 72 points on leeds last season. that is what you call poor!
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| Quote ="back2back 09/10"didn't our academy put 72 points on leeds last season. that is what you call poor!'"
We did but playing Carvell, Myler and Clarke (all on their way back from injury) was hardly fair on the Leeds youngsters. Didn't do us much good in the SL game that followed either.
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| Quote ="back2back 09/10"didn't our academy put 72 points on leeds last season. that is what you call poor!'"
no, it was 96
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