Thank God for that, been trying to work out where this had come from all season. I'd never seen it before this year, oddly.

No the fact they are so rare means from my point of view that they do nothing to make the game any better as they are so hard to achieve,if you do it the other way the wingers will have to drop back more which will leave more space to attack and would make for a much more exciting game than the odd 40-20 The crowd cheer so much because they are so rare they would cheer more often if it was changed .
It would also mean the wingers would get more involved in games as well .
On the scrum point either put the ball in the middle or scrap them altogether.

Never going to happen

There's definately potential here for a job at Redhall.

Great site lads.

"But if that's the case lets do away with it all together or change it with a line out.
a lineout is easy to set and fast and to the point"



somebodys suggestion on here to "take lineouts from RU" just beggers belief.

Have they any idea what they are watching, while at it take knock-on, forward passes off-side as well from the dark side.

Other than marketing internationals off the pitch--- RL can learn nothing from RU.

I never realised how tactical lineouts were until I played Union.
One thing I think league lacks is a range of different skills, not that i'd advocate putting lineouts in league.
Almost every forward these days is called a 'ball playing' forward.
In union centres are centres, props are props and second rowers or Number 8s wouldn't be found out in the centres.

If you read Kevin Ashcrofts book "Last of the Dinosaurs" you get an insight as to how brutal real scrums were like back in the 1970s. Whereas, I would welcome a return to forwards looking like forwards and backs looking like backs, I'm not sure that I could support a return of the scrumaging from that era.

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Prop Forwards in yawnion are fat gits and wouldn't last 5 mins in RL Paliseinya could be a Yawnion prop he can't last 5 mins

It is a bit embarrassing and pointless to watch the scrums they way they currently are. Not sure what the solution is though.

Get rid altogether?

how about the forwards all oppose each other in parallel lines and for that play only, i.e. proceeding a knock on or ball in touch, tackles off the ball are allowed and forward passes are ok too, plus any number of interchanges to be allowed just before the play and immediately after

I thought the purpose of a scrum was to re-start the game after an error (forward pass, knock-on, etc) had been made. It would only seem fair that the side making the error has to "pay" by being dis-advantaged at the scrum.

So RL scrums are quick and the side that didn't make the error generally get the ball. Seems like that ticks all the necessary boxes.

Alternatively I was watching the Guiness Premiership (English RU top-flight) the other week on SKY and in frustration I timed a scrum from offence occurring to game re-starting. After 4 minutes of collasping scrums, the ref going from open to blind-side and back to see what was happening, touching and engaging the ball came out only for the loose-forward (no.

to knock-on at the base of the scrum and the ref call for another scrum: I swapped channels to Eurosport as the Nordic cross-country skiing looked far more entertaining.

Thats an outstanding post Herb, and so true

Except for when a team put on a superb set-move and score a great try. Remember Yeaman scoring off a kick through for Hull against us? Or, for a fantastic example - Andrew Johns debut egainst Leeds, ball comes out of the scrum and is quickly shipped wide to Fa'afili who dives in in the corner. I doubt many Wire fans will forget that moment in a hurry and can't have been any who found that scrum "embarrassing and pointless to watch"

All of That could still happen in a contested scrum ! The FACT is all RL scrums are embarrassing and pointless they should be as much a part of RL as passing the ball backwards and scoring a try ,but at the moment scrums are a waste of time and something needs to be done imo .

After the scrum has been re-set several times and assuming it hasn't ended in a penalty.



No, that is your opinion, NOT a fact. I've already proved that not all scrums are pointless, giving you examples of how they can directly lead to fantastic RL.

Nothing wrong with them.

Yep, don't fix it if it aint broke n all that.

You haven't proved it, all you have done is type something that you could of quite easily have typed the same thing from a contested scrum
FACT is contested scrums were the norm and it was changed bit by bit until a scrum became a non event .
And yes I am entitled to my opinion the same way you are yours,tell you what put a poll on it and find out what the majority think contested scrum or not or no scrum 3 options .

Your right in what you say, scrums have been altered to much i.e the ball doesn't have to go in the middle and your hardly allowed to push anymore, this means the scrum had become somewhat pointless.
A group of players scrum down and stay static, the ball put through 1 mans leg at the back and out it comes, play-on.

Dont see a point in having them you may aswell just tap and go.

But surely, tapping the ball half heartedly against your ankle or foot is alot more of a aberration against the game, considering the ratio in which the foot is used in a predominantly hand based game.

Surely we should be replacing the tap as it slows down the game as the player waits to collect the ball and the reciever starts his run from ten metres behind, straight into the line?

Whats the difference half halfheartedly tapping the ball against your foot or half halfhearted having a sham of a scrum or have a proper scrum where the ball is put into the hookers feet after all that is what hookers are for or should I say that is what they were originally for IMO it is the one and only point our game falls down on,some people may say it would bring back a lot of penalties but I would disagree I think it would enhance the game and would bring less penalties than say the P.O.T.B. which is strewn with penalties and stops the game more often than anything else why not revert to having 1 marker at the P.O.T.B. and reduce the not square pens !

Remember when you could tap the ball forward and play-on yourself after you were tackled, those were the days

I'm just watching Manly v the NZ warriors and there has just been a full on contested scrum and it was a shambles...at first I just thought it was the front rows pushing but the hookers where in fact striking for the ball quite agressively that sort of unsettled the front rows the scrum started to spin and it turned into a mess.......Sterlo reckoned it should have been a penalty against the team spinning the scrum in fact the scrum was just re-taken....

can you imagine Nathan Brown with his "8 tactics a ref wouldnt notice" coaxing a team to spin a scrum and continually gaining penalties at scrums.... wouldnt that be entertaining...and not at all frustrating !!!

scrums are fine...after all Richard Henare became a legend after scoring from a set move from a scrum didnt he...

Scrums reward the non-offending team. If you lose possession, you shouldn't have a fair fight to regain the ball. Teams who have a much stronger pack could "accidently" knock-on during a 5th tackle, and regain the ball from the resulting scrum.

As said.. ain't broke, don't fix it.