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| Quote Quote ="Thelonius"I don't think all twelve current SL clubs are secure in their bids, and I expect at least one (if I had to bet my money would be on Cas) to miss out. This would leave three spare places, one of which I believe will go to South Wales leaving two places up for grabs.'"
95% Agree .... Celtic / Salford and Widnes in - Would have Wakefield out but cant see the RL kicking out a potential Challenge Cup finalist.
Quote IMO Edinburgh Magic Fixtures to be...
Wigan - Saints
Hull - Hull KR
Leeds - Bradford
Wire - Wierdness
Huddersfield - Wakefield
London - Catalan
Salford - Celtic Crusaders'" '"
Change of structure to fixtures next year ... no derbies ... 7 teams seeded and then the other 7 drawn out of a hat to see who plays them.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"I don't think all twelve current SL clubs are secure in their bids, and I expect at least one (if I had to bet my money would be on Cas) to miss out. This would leave three spare places, one of which I believe will go to South Wales leaving two places up for grabs.
IMO Edinburgh Magic Fixtures to be...
Wigan - Saints
Hull - Hull KR
Leeds - Bradford
Wire - Wierdness
Huddersfield - Wakefield
London - Catalan
Salford - Celtic Crusaders'"
It's highly unlikely that any current SL club will be dropped and the Magic fixtures aren't going to be derbies but based on final league position.
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| Salford and Widnes would be the best for Warrington. Therefore they get my vote.
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| I would prefer it to be Salford and Widnes, Celtic in 2012.
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| I have a funny feeling HKR may miss out. wakey and cas will scrape through i think. wakey have been ok on the field recently, and i think this will drag them thru. cas have some of the brightest young talent coming thru, and they are in line to sort the stadium out, so this will drag them thru. HKR have done neither of these. they do get big crowds but they need to sort the ground out big time. will be interesting to see the results of why, if some super league clubs don't get a licence, as there could be a lot of very disgruntled fans if it doesn't go their way
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| Quote ="magic piano"Wire
Leeds
Saints
Wigan
Bulls
Hull
HKR
Cats
Quins
Huddersfield
Wakey
Widnes
Celtic
Salfrod
Cas to miss out on basis of (a) poor ground with no redevelopment plans concrete & (b) what they have brought to the comp in recent years - think Wakey just edge above them in stakes of being competitive in last 5 years.'" Think your pretty much spot on there
And hopefully got next seasons league positions right as well
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| Quote ="magic piano"Wire
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Wigan
Bulls
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Cats
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Huddersfield
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Widnes
Celtic
Salfrod
Cas to miss out on basis of (a) poor ground with no redevlopment plans concrete & (b) what they have brought to the comp in recent years - think Wakey just edge above them in stakes of being competitive in last 5 years.'"
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Quote ="Ian*77"Wire 71 - will his egalitarian tendencies affect his judgment?
WOTT - is it all just bandwagon jumping?
Sally - can he give a straight answer or do we have to believe the opposite of what he posts?
Cockney - will his 30k a year IT mean he plumps for the rich french team?
St Maca - is he gay?'"
Wires71 - He will take apart any franchise application and pick out the incorrect bits
WOTT - He'll know the franchisees weeks before anyone else, he probably already does
Sally - He'll claim that he has no idea what a franchise is and Warrior Girl will fall for it
Cockney - As with my own future plans, I'm going with the non-traditional route and saying Celtic will get in over Cas
St Maca - If he isn't, he should be.
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| Quote ="Ian*77"
St Maca - is he gay?*
What do people reckon?
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| Quote ="magic piano"Wire
Leeds
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Cats
Quins
Huddersfield
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Widnes
Celtic
Salfrod
Cas to miss out on basis of (a) poor ground with no redevlopment plans concrete & (b) what they have brought to the comp in recent years - think Wakey just edge above them in stakes of being competitive in last 5 years.'"
Didn't Cas get the green light to build a new stadium?
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| Bit of a Catch-22 the applications for mine.
Salford appear to have all the right ingredients for mine, sitting pretty league wise, stadium on the go, a sound business.
Widnes, ditto with one massive difference, two insolvencies in three years. Granted, people will cite different ownership, but I imagine it is the same management team.
The fortunate thing for Widnes is, it has come a little too soon for Celtic, if this was two or three years in the future, it would be the Crusaders making up the fourteen.
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| I think it is going to be Salford and Celtic that end up joining the party.
As a few people have eluded to, I think that Widnes' past troubles with insolvency might see them miss out.
I would love to see all three back up in the big time, at the expense of someone like Wakefield, but I can't see the RFL saying to one of the current SL teams, "You're out. Bye."
Whoever doesn't get one, will surely be the front runners to get one in 2012 however.
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| We want our derby back!
I reckon Cas will be dropped, from a selfish point of view I would then like Salford Widnes and Leigh to get the 3 spots, but reckon 1 will lose out to Celtic.
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| Quote ="Mistah Leeâ„¢"I think it is going to be Salford and Celtic that end up joining the party.
As a few people have eluded to, I think that Widnes' past troubles with insolvency might see them miss out.
I would love to see all three back up in the big time, at the expense of someone like Wakefield, but I can't see the RFL saying to one of the current SL teams, "You're out. Bye."
Whoever doesn't get one, will surely be the front runners to get one in 2012 however.'"
Try telling Widnes fans that - it's happened twice to them!!
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| Quote ="magic piano"Try telling Widnes fans that - it's happened twice to them!!'"
Not in a franchise situation though.
Plus I think the RFL are more incompetent now than they were back then.
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| Do we really think that the current superleague clubs are guarenteed a place? That isn't the communication coming from Red Hall. It's 19 into 14 isn't it? Is it possible that Widnes, Leigh and Salford could all get in?
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| Quote ="Lefty"Do we really think that the current super league clubs are guaranteed a place? That isn't the communication coming from Red Hall. It's 19 into 14 isn't it? Is it possible that Widnes, Leigh and Salford could all get in?'" It will all hinge on how INDEPENDENT the rfl's independent panel is if you get my drift !
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| Cas to go out for me, then Salford, Weirdness and Celtic, although i disagree with Celtic getting a franchise, i think the RFL are so keen on expansion, that this will happen. Feel sorry for Leigh though, dont think they will get one and it would be good to more weight to re-addressing the yorkshire-lancashire balance in the league.
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| Quote ="LOngbarn Wire"Cas to go out for me, then Salford, Weirdness and Celtic, although i disagree with Celtic getting a franchise, i think the RFL are so keen on expansion, that this will happen. Feel sorry for Leigh though, dont think they will get one and it would be good to more weight to re-addressing the yorkshire-lancashire balance in the league.'"
I'd rather go to Castleford than to Leigh.
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| FORMER South Sydney coach Shaun "Bomber" McRae will next week launch a fresh round of multi-million-dollar raids on the NRL's already depleted playing stocks.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal up to 30 of the NRL's brightest stars will be targets next week when the English Super League announces an expanded competition that will include two new teams for 2009.
The teams likely to be called up into the new-look Super League include [size=150McRae's Salford Reds and Welsh team the Celtic Crusaders[/size.
A staggering 88 former NRL players already play in the Super League and leading player manager Steve Gillis last night warned another 30 could be on the way.
"There is no doubt more talent will be lost," Gillis said.
"Most of the clubs in contention have been in contact with Australian agents for some time. They have made their primary targets very clear and have many names pencilled in.
"I expect when the decision comes down next Tuesday at least a dozen signings will be announced within 12 hours."
It is believed Neville Costigan, Luke Covell, Jeremy Smith, Ben Rogers and Steve Menzies head the NRL hit-list.
Australian rugby league has already been rocked by the looming departures of Mark Gasnier, Danny Buderus, Brett Hodgson and Michael Crocker.
Eels coach Michael Hagan admitted he had serious fears for the future of the NRL, declaring depth was becoming a major concern.
"It is a big concern," Hagan said.
"Of course depth is a problem. Even with us, and we have had a pretty good year with injuries. But we have hit a bit of a hurdle this week.
"Some clubs have been struggling all year with it."
Reserve grade has been axed this year and Hagan said player from the Under-20s competition were not ready for the rigours of first grade.
"Even the NYC program, which we are all talking about with players being promoted, it is yet to be seen how many games they can handle," Hagan said.
"The whole week-in week-out thing really takes it out of you. I reckon you have to play about 50 NRL games before you get your head around it all.
"We are also losing some of our best young blokes to the Super League. I think rugby union is also enticing some.
"That is the other danger."
Hagan is bracing himself for his stars to be targeted.
"Krisnan Inu and Jarryd Hayne are here for a couple of years but we have to be mindful of how we are going to keep them," he said.
"I have no doubt they will be targeted."
Former Eel Tim Smith is expected to make his debut for UK powerhouse club Wigan next week.
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| In an ideal world, Cas and Wakey will be dropped leaving ten teams and four places. The fourteen team SLIV will look like;
Bradford Bulls
Catalan Dragons
Celtic Crusaders
Huddersfield Giants
Harlequins RL
Hull FC
Hull KR
Leeds Rhinos
Leigh Centurions
Salford City Reds
St Helens
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Wigan Warriors
Unfortunately, Wakefield's Challenge Cup achievements this year will no doubt prevent this from happening. In which case, Celtic will (and probably should) be dropped from the above list.
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| Quote ="Lefty"I'd rather go to Castleford than to Leigh.'"
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| Quote ="Whoosh"
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Crimea?'"
Well perhaps I should say that again. I would rather go to places on the way to Cas.
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| The stadia point is a big one and, in particular, how lenient they're prepared to be on that. My guess is that they'll be flexible at this stage but that 'borderline' clubs will need to have the stadiums built or on the way in a physical sense by the time the next round of franchise applications are due. On that basis, I'd imagine Cas and Wakefield will get in.
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| Quote ="The Wood"In an ideal world, Cas and Wakey will be dropped leaving ten teams and four places. The fourteen team SLIV will look like;
Bradford Bulls
Catalan Dragons
Celtic Crusaders
Huddersfield Giants
Harlequins RL
Hull FC
Hull KR
Leeds Rhinos
Leigh Centurions
Salford City Reds
St Helens
Warrington Wolves
Widnes Vikings
Wigan Warriors
Unfortunately, Wakefield's Challenge Cup achievements this year will no doubt prevent this from happening. In which case, Celtic will (and probably should) be dropped from the above list.'"
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