I'd like to know what you base that on.

Someone mentioned snobbery on here earlier but I think there is a lot more Rugby League snobbery though. The debate isn't Football v Rugby and which is better. It's about atmosphere.

People can say they don't care about the atmosphere and only go to watch the game. That's fair enough, no one's asking you to join in and contribute. But don't tell me you've never said, when asked about the game, "It was a great atmosphere".

I've heard people of all ages and experience talk about how much they enjoyed the atmosphere. Not just Football and Rugby, but other sporting events, concerts or nights out. So atmosphere is clearly an important thing to the enjoyment of an event. Not just 2 out of 10,000.

Reading the Salford thread on the subject it would appear that most of their fans don't like crowds, they like being the select few, which should mean that they're very happy at the moment.
As regards this particular thread, I think it could be summed up be saying that it takes all sorts to make a rugby crowd. Personally I'm not keen on the drums and I don't really want to spend 80 minutes singing, but when I do come home to watch the wire I spend a full 80 minutes screaming and shouting support like I always have done. In fact I would imagine that i'm not always the best person to sit or stand next to because of the noise I make. You dopn't have to sing to make a real atmosphere.

i'd be happy to stand next to you, i'd rather have someone that is'involved' in the game than someone who's being quiet, that makes me feel awkward.

I agree with you and Teesside. Here's an idea, let's congregate in the South East now that the drums are going in the South West, so that we can start a 'we want to be 'involved' but not always singing' section?

Only messing, looking forward to being involved tonight "Now the Wire"

Correct and a very important point.

One of, if not the best atmosphere I've ever been in was United v Barcelona in '84 and it had nothing to do with any singing.

I've been to games in which i've been so bored i couldn't be bothered singing, games that have been so tense i've kept quiet, games i've been so frustrated i've swore like a trooper, games so engaging i've sang my heart out for the extra encouragement.
I've been to games in which i've experienced a multitude of emotions. Some of those games have been derby matches some have been random teams you wouldn't expect much from.

You can't legislate for or even force 'an atmosphere', it's a completely organic occurrence.
Things in a game spark things off, fights, hard tackles, bad ref decisions. Look at the Catalan game this season, not the best but not the worst and considering they bring next to no one was an ok-ish atmosphere because of how the game panned out.

My favourite game for atmosphere was funny enough a Wigan game AT THE DW?? fka JJB, the one that TKL and Nikau were sent off, DVDV was in charge, that game was rocking and we were truly battered in that but the game had so much going on.

You have just reminded me of Australia v New Zealand at the HJ back in 2011. The game was a bit of a damp squib and there was no atmosphere, so as you do me and my mate stood talking about the game that was in front of us and the competition in general. Right at the end some gobby woman from Wigan turned round and said that by talking we had ruined it for her. Needless to say I told her it was a big stand and she could stand wherever she liked, I had travelled for three hours to watch the game and if I wanted to talk to a mate who I hadn't seen for a couple of months I would! Her husband/partner looked rather embarrassed. As someone else has said, it takes all sorts!

See, it's another football comparison.


What's the best rl atmosphere you've ever been in?

Awful tonight again. Seriously nobody cared. If all you want to do is chat to your mates over a pint go the pub - at least pretend you care. On the odd occasion the players stepped it up the crowd never responded.

Not a comparison. Just backing up someones opinion with something from my own experience.

Probably Widnes in the Lancashire cup semi in 89. The Australia game around the time was a bit special as well.

Playing exciting rugby, not the dour stuff the Wolves churn out should get a crowd going. As for drums you can place them somewhere they are appreciated ( about 100 miles from the stadium) and trumpets would alienate anyone standing within earshot, like the rubbish 7 notes they keep playing at England football games.
Singing and chanting great.

Talking about good atmospheres, I can't remember any better then the CCSF over at Widnes when we beat Wigan. Amazing.

Bloody irritating, intrusive and unwelcome.

spot on.

Lets face it most people on here dont speak for the majority they are one extreme end of the scale who would rather sit and watch a game in silence, knowone under 18 be aloud, and have the etiquette of a library, most fans want a half decent match day experience with a good atmosphere that can be enjoyed by people who also dont like a drum down there ear hole, surely they can be some sort of middle ground that would benefit everyone who bearing in mind follow the same team.

I am 21 years young, I am all for making noise, and having a good atmosphere, but I'm not daft enough to think that is achieved through the monotonous banging of a drum! I don't think anyone has said that they want the stadium to be like a library.

The best RL atmosphere for me was at Widnes in 09 when we beat Wigan in the CC Semi Final. The noise under he stand at half time was unbelievable. For me it was better than Wembley.

Agreed (in 40 years watching the wire)

That Wigan semi is probably my favourite wire memory, Saints away in the playoffs last year is a new contender though.

I think if some games were heavily promoted like the Wigan quarter final was in 2011 then that might help a bit. Get people proper excited for it weeks in advance. Posters, billboards, radio. Get everyone talking about it. A bit of propaganda, that's what we need. That and colour. Coat the town in P&B. Everyone will be that hyped up the atmosphere would be through the roof. If they did that and stopped the stupid tannoy music before KO and after a try then we'd be laughing. And pound to a penny that if the drums were there in an atmosphere like that then no one would care. That's why people hate them. Because no one goes to a home game mega excited anymore. Maybe a few but I'm talking the town as a whole being excited.

Are the meaningless rounds to blame for this? Maybe so. I certainly think it plays a big part. Maybe our recent success has done it.
Are people too scared to start their own songs?
Or are they to lazy and think 'oh just leave it to someone else'?
Is it the new breed of glory fan to blame?
Are the stupidly strict HJ rules to blame?
The price of a game day coupled with the recent resection at fault?
The lack of traveling fans perhaps?
The fact the pubs are empty before kick off?

These are all factors that I believe have systematicly ruined our home atmosphere and it needs to be looked at. The point is I don't see anybody else trying to do something about it. So if 20 odd people want to stand in the corner, bang a drum and sing their hearts out in hope that they just might inspire and get something going at the ground then I say good on them. The only ones who actually try and they're getting ripped for it.

Stood amongst banter and a sing song. Or stood next to a loud bloke screaming his opinion on what he thinks TS should be doing... I know where I'd rather stand.

you still on about this?

Was that the only reason I mentioned? No. I listed a few. So no, I'm not still on about that I'm on about a lot of things.

What are these strict rules you are on about? Only conversation I have ever had with a steward is one told me to finish off my burger before I went in once. At the end of the day they are there to do a job, not to assist in sing songs and the club has to stictly adhere to a number of legal requirements, for obvious reasons. Fail to do that people lose their jobs, the club finds itself involved in costly litigation and should the unthinkable happen safety licenses would be reviewed.

Not quite sure what your other points are really. Pubs near the ground are probably quieter than they used to be because people like myself go to Wetherspoons, which has only been open since 2010. I don't really see why it matters though?

Indulge me, expand on the rules and which ones are stupidly strict please.

I mean i know i'm supposed to have my meth lab in there, but i moved that following the start of the new extension back in '11.

Please, the floor is yours.

In terms of rules I mean the constant updates about bad language. The woman who looks over the south stand like big brother. The fact we can't get a big crowd flag out any more. The stewards at the top who go mad if your foot even touches the yellow line. It may seem childish and petty but talking to other people who feel the same sometimes you feel like you're on egg shells in there. I'm not saying that's all the time and I don't expect you all to agree. That's just my opinion. We're all entitled to one.